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I'm... unsure how to feel. On one hand I have the utmost sympathy for the idea of pushing people away from disposable software and towards collaboration. On the

I'm... unsure how to feel. On one hand I have the utmost sympathy for the idea of pushing people away from disposable software and towards collaboration. On the other hand this will definitely devolve into name calling and vigilantism. On the third hand, Github is already drowning in slop. It takes up huuuuge amounts of resources and delivers a tiiiiny amount of value to the platform per line of slop code

matheusmoreira 3mo ago
> On the other hand this will definitely devolve into name calling and vigilantism. No doubt. Just look at Lobsters. A quality filter would have been more effective.
- conartist6 3mo ago
  You have to understand that this isn't about everyone being altruistic towards everyone else. When the industry declared that AI would replace humans, even perhaps make every single person worthless, they guaranteed beyond all doubt that the vitriol would reach at least these levels. There's no point in extending kindness to people whose stated goal is your extinction. At that point what's left is war.
  - matheusmoreira 3mo ago
    Then war it is. Like I told the fine people of Lobsters, they're going to take out a lot of innocent people as collateral damage during their crusade. I've already soft quit that site, and there goes Codeberg as well. What can you do?
    - conartist6 3mo ago
      I don't disagree, but it is not within my power to do anything to change that. There exists no person who could call off the backlash to the AI movement
    - whilenot-dev 3mo ago
      I'm not following. Your last comment on Lobsters[0] was 4 days ago, that's not soft quitting. And even if it is, how is soft quitting war? [0]: https://lobste.rs/~matheusmoreira https://lobste.rs/~matheusmoreira
      - matheusmoreira 3mo ago
        I used to post a lot more. I took the "be part of the community" rule pretty seriously and really tried. I dramatically cut down on my participation after the "ban AI slop" meta threads made me feel like I was not welcome due to my AI use. Getting straight up called a "slop fetishist" will do that. Since then I've been mostly participating on veqq's lobster interview threads. My highest posting volume was in my own interview thread. The interview itself took place before all of these unfortunate events. Veqq is a really nice person, one of a select few who told me they were sad to see me go, even though we have different viewpoints on AI. > how is soft quitting war? Culture war, I suppose.
        inigyou 3mo ago
        [flagged]
    - archagon 3mo ago
      Personally, I'm overjoyed to see the internet stratify and the chuds depart for whatever libertarian/accelerationist pastures they're looking for. I just want to chat with human beings about human endeavors. If that shrinks my social network by several orders of magnitude — even better. Much easier to catch up. Lobsters will probably be fine.
      - matheusmoreira 3mo ago
        "Chuds" ?
- fodkodrasz 3mo ago
  Lobsters is the definition of a toxic community. Here at least you can create a throwaway account to have a controversial opinion. There you need vested invited, and get banned if you post some uncomfortable truth. Been there, done that. Same goes for mastodon.social.
  - archagon 3mo ago
    Oh, really? And what uncomfortable truths have you been slinging?
    - fodkodrasz 3mo ago
      Honestly? I don't remember exactly, something about a software project not being automatically bad for not implementing a code of conduct praising certain sexual deviances (woof)? I clearly remember why my account with lots of photos was deleted from mastodon.social without warning: There was a poll "Have you donated to the Antifa", two options: no / I'm a fascist. I replied there is some more nuance to the topic, also in some jurisdictions the organization is listed as a terrorist organization, and as such it is illegal to do so, link to an example (us in those days, it was in the news). Well, apart from some nice photos nothing of value was lost, also it was a great lesson why you need to self-host and not rely on "self-moderating communities" or megacorps... Some taboo of that "community"... much like free healthcare or unionization or illegal migration is slave labour (and class warfare against the working class, including legal migrants and legal guest-workforce) in disguise (was banned from a VC funded SV echo-chamber for this opinion) are taboos of this "community". Guess I'm an extremist... or just Eastern-European.
      - matheusmoreira 3mo ago
        I joined mastodon.social not too long ago... How unfortunate. Do you know of any fediverse that won't instaban me if I accidentally post some wrongthink?
        fodkodrasz 3mo ago

matheusmoreira 3mo ago

> On the other hand this will definitely devolve into name calling and vigilantism. No doubt. Just look at Lobsters. A quality filter would have been more effective.

conartist6 3mo ago
You have to understand that this isn't about everyone being altruistic towards everyone else. When the industry declared that AI would replace humans, even perhaps make every single person worthless, they guaranteed beyond all doubt that the vitriol would reach at least these levels. There's no point in extending kindness to people whose stated goal is your extinction. At that point what's left is war.
- matheusmoreira 3mo ago
  Then war it is. Like I told the fine people of Lobsters, they're going to take out a lot of innocent people as collateral damage during their crusade. I've already soft quit that site, and there goes Codeberg as well. What can you do?
  - conartist6 3mo ago
    I don't disagree, but it is not within my power to do anything to change that. There exists no person who could call off the backlash to the AI movement
  - whilenot-dev 3mo ago
    I'm not following. Your last comment on Lobsters[0] was 4 days ago, that's not soft quitting. And even if it is, how is soft quitting war? [0]: https://lobste.rs/~matheusmoreira https://lobste.rs/~matheusmoreira
    - matheusmoreira 3mo ago
      I used to post a lot more. I took the "be part of the community" rule pretty seriously and really tried. I dramatically cut down on my participation after the "ban AI slop" meta threads made me feel like I was not welcome due to my AI use. Getting straight up called a "slop fetishist" will do that. Since then I've been mostly participating on veqq's lobster interview threads. My highest posting volume was in my own interview thread. The interview itself took place before all of these unfortunate events. Veqq is a really nice person, one of a select few who told me they were sad to see me go, even though we have different viewpoints on AI. > how is soft quitting war? Culture war, I suppose.
      - inigyou 3mo ago
        [flagged]
  - archagon 3mo ago
    Personally, I'm overjoyed to see the internet stratify and the chuds depart for whatever libertarian/accelerationist pastures they're looking for. I just want to chat with human beings about human endeavors. If that shrinks my social network by several orders of magnitude — even better. Much easier to catch up. Lobsters will probably be fine.
    - matheusmoreira 3mo ago
      "Chuds" ?
fodkodrasz 3mo ago
Lobsters is the definition of a toxic community. Here at least you can create a throwaway account to have a controversial opinion. There you need vested invited, and get banned if you post some uncomfortable truth. Been there, done that. Same goes for mastodon.social.
- archagon 3mo ago
  Oh, really? And what uncomfortable truths have you been slinging?
  - fodkodrasz 3mo ago
    Honestly? I don't remember exactly, something about a software project not being automatically bad for not implementing a code of conduct praising certain sexual deviances (woof)? I clearly remember why my account with lots of photos was deleted from mastodon.social without warning: There was a poll "Have you donated to the Antifa", two options: no / I'm a fascist. I replied there is some more nuance to the topic, also in some jurisdictions the organization is listed as a terrorist organization, and as such it is illegal to do so, link to an example (us in those days, it was in the news). Well, apart from some nice photos nothing of value was lost, also it was a great lesson why you need to self-host and not rely on "self-moderating communities" or megacorps... Some taboo of that "community"... much like free healthcare or unionization or illegal migration is slave labour (and class warfare against the working class, including legal migrants and legal guest-workforce) in disguise (was banned from a VC funded SV echo-chamber for this opinion) are taboos of this "community". Guess I'm an extremist... or just Eastern-European.
    - matheusmoreira 3mo ago
      I joined mastodon.social not too long ago... How unfortunate. Do you know of any fediverse that won't instaban me if I accidentally post some wrongthink?
      - fodkodrasz 3mo ago