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How do you know what the politics will be next? They banned vibe coded projects too… goodness knows how they think they can determine / enforce that.

by duxup 3mo ago

matheusmoreira 3mo ago
> goodness knows how they think they can determine that Asking people to define that nearly got me kicked out of lobsters. These people don't want to have to define it. Ironically, they're going to enforce their rules based on vibes. Vibewritten rules, vibenforced.
tbrownaw 3mo ago
> How do you know what the politics will be next? That's the neat part, you don't. (Or, well, you could pay attention to the individual humans involved?)
- no-name-here 3mo ago
  > Or, well, you could pay attention to the individual humans involved? I think your implication is that Codeberg have recently demonstrated they’re the kind of people who banned multiple significant categories (there’s probably a better word?) of software this week, so they probably will continue and ban a a number of additional software categories in the coming year(s)?
tkel 3mo ago
Well, if you're not part of the community, what do you care? Are you saying you are opposed to this on the grounds that anything could happen in the future? That doesn't really make sense. Yes, anything could happen. Yes, people change. That is true in nearly all contexts. If you're asking in good faith, you participate in the community democratically and try to influence others. Just like normal. There was a vote held for this decision, it was 306-154.
- 0x3f 3mo ago
  > Well, if you're not part of the community, what do you care? One benefits from the availability of alternatives and a healthy market regardless.
  - throwa356262 3mo ago
    When I go to a vegetarian restaurant I don't demand they serve me a juicy meat burger. We have different places with different philosophies. It is okay to be different, otherwise everything would look boringly identical. Sincerely, A meat lover and a codeberg fan.
    - 0x3f 3mo ago
      It's a bit of an inappropriate comparison though, since restaurants are ubiquitous and reasonable GitHub alternatives are vanishingly rare. People are quite rightly more troubled when providers in a low-cardinality space become unviable.
      - inigyou 3mo ago
        What is a "reasonable GitHub alternative" exactly?
      - joepie91_ 3mo ago
        You can literally take the exact same software that Codeberg uses, Forgejo, and stand up your own alternative with different policies, with the only real cost being operational in nature. It seems less the case that it's a "low-cardinality space", and more that people feel entitled to other people's labour under their own terms.
      - Oxodao 3mo ago
        GitHub, Gitlab, Bitbucket, Codeberg, SourceForge, SourceHut, and that's just from the top of my head. That's not what I call "vanishingly rare"
Y-bar 3mo ago
> How do you know what the politics will be next? I was very tempted to reply with a ”always has been” astronaut meme, or possibly Morpheus ”what if I told you” meme. But I would not have contributed in a good manner like that. The way I have come to understand it is that everything is indeed political. An I mean it, even driving at the speed limit is in a sense a political act saying ”I respect the laws by our politicians”. Working 40 hours a week is a political number. Or another example from where I live, there are two major grocery chains, one of which has owners who were recently convicted of insider trading and price fixing, and openly supports anti-LGBTQ movements. Shopping there is a political act implicitly supporting their political cause and accepting their crimes as okay, even though it might seem far removed. People sometimes want politics to be neatly siloed away, but politics is deeply embedded in our society and I think we would be better off embracing it instead of fighting it. Because maybe then discussions about it can be more productive.
- mw888 3mo ago
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  - Y-bar 3mo ago
    Just because most of everything has a political angle/facet does not mean it defines my life as much as it seem to do to you. It just serves to help me articulate my choices in life. I would like to know how taking an active moral stand as Codeberg is doing is lazy. Especially when put in relation to armchair analysis on social media.
    - mw888 2mo ago
      Your post I responded you had said "I have come to understand it is that everything is indeed political." Now you concede a bit: > Just because most of everything has a political angle/facet does not mean it defines my life as much as it seem to do to you. You are morally lazy if you think magnifying the political aspect of any relationship is sensible. You've defined no limit to it, which has obvious outcomes. An intuitive limit is insufficient. You've also got confused and accused me of 'making things political' when my comment is very clearly recommending the opposite - a sort of childish "no you."
ChocolateGod 3mo ago
This is why I don't use Mastodon. What you can see is completely reliant on what kind of politics the admin supports at that time.
- inigyou 3mo ago
  But you use HN, where what you can see is completely reliant on what kind of politics the admin supports at that time?
  - deleted 3mo ago
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  - lostmsu 3mo ago
    Admins on HN rarely delete articles
    - TaLiTr 3mo ago
      Yes, because the admins are reasonable. Just like it's possible to find Mastodon servers with reasonable admins. But the GPs comment blamed Mastodon as a whole for allowing the possibility of admin abuse, which isn't substantially different from HN.

How do you know what the politics will be next? They banned vibe coded projects too… goodness knows how they think they can determine / enforce that.

by duxup 3mo ago

How do you know what the politics will be next? They banned vibe coded projects too… goodness knows how they think they can determine / enforce that.

matheusmoreira 3mo ago

> goodness knows how they think they can determine that Asking people to define that nearly got me kicked out of lobsters. These people don't want to have to define it. Ironically, they're going to enforce their rules based on vibes. Vibewritten rules, vibenforced.

tbrownaw 3mo ago

> How do you know what the politics will be next? That's the neat part, you don't. (Or, well, you could pay attention to the individual humans involved?)

no-name-here 3mo ago
> Or, well, you could pay attention to the individual humans involved? I think your implication is that Codeberg have recently demonstrated they’re the kind of people who banned multiple significant categories (there’s probably a better word?) of software this week, so they probably will continue and ban a a number of additional software categories in the coming year(s)?

tkel 3mo ago

Well, if you're not part of the community, what do you care? Are you saying you are opposed to this on the grounds that anything could happen in the future? That doesn't really make sense. Yes, anything could happen. Yes, people change. That is true in nearly all contexts. If you're asking in good faith, you participate in the community democratically and try to influence others. Just like normal. There was a vote held for this decision, it was 306-154.

0x3f 3mo ago
> Well, if you're not part of the community, what do you care? One benefits from the availability of alternatives and a healthy market regardless.
- throwa356262 3mo ago
  When I go to a vegetarian restaurant I don't demand they serve me a juicy meat burger. We have different places with different philosophies. It is okay to be different, otherwise everything would look boringly identical. Sincerely, A meat lover and a codeberg fan.
  - 0x3f 3mo ago
    It's a bit of an inappropriate comparison though, since restaurants are ubiquitous and reasonable GitHub alternatives are vanishingly rare. People are quite rightly more troubled when providers in a low-cardinality space become unviable.
    - inigyou 3mo ago
      What is a "reasonable GitHub alternative" exactly?
    - joepie91_ 3mo ago
      You can literally take the exact same software that Codeberg uses, Forgejo, and stand up your own alternative with different policies, with the only real cost being operational in nature. It seems less the case that it's a "low-cardinality space", and more that people feel entitled to other people's labour under their own terms.
    - Oxodao 3mo ago
      GitHub, Gitlab, Bitbucket, Codeberg, SourceForge, SourceHut, and that's just from the top of my head. That's not what I call "vanishingly rare"

Y-bar 3mo ago

> How do you know what the politics will be next? I was very tempted to reply with a ”always has been” astronaut meme, or possibly Morpheus ”what if I told you” meme. But I would not have contributed in a good manner like that. The way I have come to understand it is that everything is indeed political. An I mean it, even driving at the speed limit is in a sense a political act saying ”I respect the laws by our politicians”. Working 40 hours a week is a political number. Or another example from where I live, there are two major grocery chains, one of which has owners who were recently convicted of insider trading and price fixing, and openly supports anti-LGBTQ movements. Shopping there is a political act implicitly supporting their political cause and accepting their crimes as okay, even though it might seem far removed. People sometimes want politics to be neatly siloed away, but politics is deeply embedded in our society and I think we would be better off embracing it instead of fighting it. Because maybe then discussions about it can be more productive.

mw888 3mo ago
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- Y-bar 3mo ago
  Just because most of everything has a political angle/facet does not mean it defines my life as much as it seem to do to you. It just serves to help me articulate my choices in life. I would like to know how taking an active moral stand as Codeberg is doing is lazy. Especially when put in relation to armchair analysis on social media.
  - mw888 2mo ago
    Your post I responded you had said "I have come to understand it is that everything is indeed political." Now you concede a bit: > Just because most of everything has a political angle/facet does not mean it defines my life as much as it seem to do to you. You are morally lazy if you think magnifying the political aspect of any relationship is sensible. You've defined no limit to it, which has obvious outcomes. An intuitive limit is insufficient. You've also got confused and accused me of 'making things political' when my comment is very clearly recommending the opposite - a sort of childish "no you."

ChocolateGod 3mo ago

This is why I don't use Mastodon. What you can see is completely reliant on what kind of politics the admin supports at that time.

inigyou 3mo ago
But you use HN, where what you can see is completely reliant on what kind of politics the admin supports at that time?
- deleted 3mo ago
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- lostmsu 3mo ago
  Admins on HN rarely delete articles
  - TaLiTr 3mo ago
    Yes, because the admins are reasonable. Just like it's possible to find Mastodon servers with reasonable admins. But the GPs comment blamed Mastodon as a whole for allowing the possibility of admin abuse, which isn't substantially different from HN.