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Let this be a reminder to never trust any service be it one ran by a billion dollar company, to one ran by volunteers. You will be eventually screwed over. Make

Let this be a reminder to never trust any service be it one ran by a billion dollar company, to one ran by volunteers. You will be eventually screwed over. Make backup plans, and self-host whatever you can so nothing can be taken from you. For Git forges, I personally recommend Gitea[1], or Forgejo[2] (a Gitea fork by Codeberg) [1]: https://about.gitea.com/ https://about.gitea.com/ [2]: https://forgejo.org/ https://forgejo.org/

sanskritical 2mo ago
there's decentralized git on Nostr: https://nostrapps.github.io/nostrgit/ https://nostrapps.github.io/nostrgit/ Your public key is your sovereign ownership of your project, and with Nostr is no longer bound to any single entity.
- bergie 2mo ago
  Git over Reticulum is another option. You get git, issue tracking (work documents), release management https://reticulum.network/manual/git.html https://reticulum.network/manual/git.html
- datadrivenangel 2mo ago
  GIT IS DECENTRALIZED
  - dbmikus 2mo ago
    But the identity part of git is not (unless you count pgp signing of each commit, which never took off at a large scale) and the git tools don't automatically propagate repo changes by default across a network
    - rakoo 2mo ago
      The identity of a repo is its url so yes, the identity part is decentralized
      - dbmikus 2mo ago
        Identity is more than a name. It is also proving that you own that identity (aka authentication)
  - jmalicki 2mo ago
    But if you just hashed all the changes and put them in Merkle tree to verify, wouldn't that make it so much better?
  - nighteous 2mo ago
    [dead]
  - iamnothere 2mo ago
    Issue tracking and collaboration tools are not. (Although many small projects could get by with a todo.txt and a mailing list.)
  - fooqux 2mo ago
    Yup, but the community you build around a project is not.
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ivan888 2mo ago
It’s probably not too important to choose a service that you think you can trust fully, because that trust might be broken at some point. But having an identifier that can be swapped to different backends, so people can find you again when the host inevitability changes, is a stronger strategy. I think the importance of owning domain names will increase, and using those as the canonical identifier of a project will give it more permanence. The procedures for seizure and censorship with domain names are better established and understood.
- inigyou 2mo ago
  Last week the USA censored the domain name of a Dutch porn site.
z0ltan 2mo ago
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iamnothere 2mo ago
Radicle provides self-hosting with decentralized mirrors for both added availability and DDoS resistance. A Tor-hosted mirror provides extra protection against attacks on DNS or your domain name, and some additional DDoS protection.
tbrownaw 2mo ago
Self-hosting based on an external project is still a dependency on Someone Else to keep it up to date, unless you have both the time and skill to take over maintenance of that project.
trollbridge 2mo ago
I’m using self hosted GitLab; any reason I should check out something else? (I also mirror projects to public GitLab and to GitHub.)
- Tepix 2mo ago
  The ability for others to send you pull requests without requiring an account on your gitlab instance
  - trollbridge 2mo ago
    I’m referring to the self hosted part. The outside world can send pull requests via the public GitLab mirror, or they can actually also access my self hosted GitLab instance via its public address - although I doubt anyone would bother. (Pull requests also can, and should, be sent via ways such as submissions to mailing lists.)
    - Tepix 2mo ago
      It's a mirror so you'll want to merge the pull requests on your self-hosted instance probably, don't you?
- tapoxi 2mo ago
  GitLab is a kitchen sink tool for all the good and bad that entails. Forgejo is much more lightweight.
matheusmoreira 2mo ago
Yeah. Buying my own domain and migrating my email to it is one of the best things I've ever done. Setting up wireguard into my LAN permanently changed the way I used computers. Looks like it's time to get myself a VPS and just start hosting even more stuff. Sovereign personal infrastructure is amazing. Highly recommended. Dealing with the government's rules and their politics is obnoxious enough. I'm starting to really lose patience with all of these communities.

sanskritical 2mo ago

there's decentralized git on Nostr: https://nostrapps.github.io/nostrgit/ https://nostrapps.github.io/nostrgit/ Your public key is your sovereign ownership of your project, and with Nostr is no longer bound to any single entity.

bergie 2mo ago
Git over Reticulum is another option. You get git, issue tracking (work documents), release management https://reticulum.network/manual/git.html https://reticulum.network/manual/git.html
datadrivenangel 2mo ago
GIT IS DECENTRALIZED
- dbmikus 2mo ago
  But the identity part of git is not (unless you count pgp signing of each commit, which never took off at a large scale) and the git tools don't automatically propagate repo changes by default across a network
  - rakoo 2mo ago
    The identity of a repo is its url so yes, the identity part is decentralized
    - dbmikus 2mo ago
      Identity is more than a name. It is also proving that you own that identity (aka authentication)
- jmalicki 2mo ago
  But if you just hashed all the changes and put them in Merkle tree to verify, wouldn't that make it so much better?
- nighteous 2mo ago
  [dead]
- iamnothere 2mo ago
  Issue tracking and collaboration tools are not. (Although many small projects could get by with a todo.txt and a mailing list.)
- fooqux 2mo ago
  Yup, but the community you build around a project is not.

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ivan888 2mo ago

It’s probably not too important to choose a service that you think you can trust fully, because that trust might be broken at some point. But having an identifier that can be swapped to different backends, so people can find you again when the host inevitability changes, is a stronger strategy. I think the importance of owning domain names will increase, and using those as the canonical identifier of a project will give it more permanence. The procedures for seizure and censorship with domain names are better established and understood.

inigyou 2mo ago
Last week the USA censored the domain name of a Dutch porn site.

z0ltan 2mo ago

[dead]

iamnothere 2mo ago

Radicle provides self-hosting with decentralized mirrors for both added availability and DDoS resistance. A Tor-hosted mirror provides extra protection against attacks on DNS or your domain name, and some additional DDoS protection.

tbrownaw 2mo ago

Self-hosting based on an external project is still a dependency on Someone Else to keep it up to date, unless you have both the time and skill to take over maintenance of that project.

trollbridge 2mo ago

I’m using self hosted GitLab; any reason I should check out something else? (I also mirror projects to public GitLab and to GitHub.)

Tepix 2mo ago
The ability for others to send you pull requests without requiring an account on your gitlab instance
- trollbridge 2mo ago
  I’m referring to the self hosted part. The outside world can send pull requests via the public GitLab mirror, or they can actually also access my self hosted GitLab instance via its public address - although I doubt anyone would bother. (Pull requests also can, and should, be sent via ways such as submissions to mailing lists.)
  - Tepix 2mo ago
    It's a mirror so you'll want to merge the pull requests on your self-hosted instance probably, don't you?
tapoxi 2mo ago
GitLab is a kitchen sink tool for all the good and bad that entails. Forgejo is much more lightweight.

matheusmoreira 2mo ago

Yeah. Buying my own domain and migrating my email to it is one of the best things I've ever done. Setting up wireguard into my LAN permanently changed the way I used computers. Looks like it's time to get myself a VPS and just start hosting even more stuff. Sovereign personal infrastructure is amazing. Highly recommended. Dealing with the government's rules and their politics is obnoxious enough. I'm starting to really lose patience with all of these communities.