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Would you call a trade-in a fraudulent tactic?

by throw1234567891 3mo ago

InsideOutSanta 3mo ago
Trade-ins are voluntary.
- deleted 3mo ago
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- efficax 3mo ago
  so are buybacks. you choose to sign the contract. there's no way they didn't have an escape clause, although likely it meant not using the cloud provider anymore
  - InsideOutSanta 3mo ago
    > so are buybacks. you choose to sign the contract Right, so they're not voluntary.
    - anomaly_ 3mo ago
      Literally what? Do you understand what is being proposed?
      - InsideOutSanta 3mo ago
        Yes. "You choose to sign the contract" is not a reasonable argument, for two reasons: 1. There is one supplier, so you have no choice. 2. Even if you had a choice to sign the contract, this still means that it's not the same as a trade-in, because trade-ins are always voluntary, but once you have signed the contract, a right of first refusal is not. In general, the "you chose to sign the contract" argument is a poor justification for bad contracts. If the contract is bad, it is bad regardless of whether you chose to sign it.
        efficax 3mo ago
        there are lots of cloud suppliers besides whichever big name cloud this is, you can even find other cloud providers in seattle
        fsuts 3mo ago
        B2b contracts have less protection in law than consumer contracts As businesses are expected to be more informed and equal in the negotiations
lmm 3mo ago
Trade ins are fine. A contractual commitment to not buy hardware sounds like illegal restraint of trade.
- brookst 3mo ago
  How? It’s a contract. Should I be allowed to pay a landscaper less if I agree to not do part of the work myself? I don’t understand the desire to tell totally anonymous third parties the terms under which they are allowed to deal with each other.
  - lmm 3mo ago
    > It’s a contract Many kinds of contracts are illegal, including those that are anticompetitive in certain ways. > Should I be allowed to pay a landscaper less if I agree to not do part of the work myself? No?

Would you call a trade-in a fraudulent tactic?

InsideOutSanta 3mo ago

Trade-ins are voluntary.

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efficax 3mo ago
so are buybacks. you choose to sign the contract. there's no way they didn't have an escape clause, although likely it meant not using the cloud provider anymore
- InsideOutSanta 3mo ago
  > so are buybacks. you choose to sign the contract Right, so they're not voluntary.
  - anomaly_ 3mo ago
    Literally what? Do you understand what is being proposed?
    - InsideOutSanta 3mo ago
      Yes. "You choose to sign the contract" is not a reasonable argument, for two reasons: 1. There is one supplier, so you have no choice. 2. Even if you had a choice to sign the contract, this still means that it's not the same as a trade-in, because trade-ins are always voluntary, but once you have signed the contract, a right of first refusal is not. In general, the "you chose to sign the contract" argument is a poor justification for bad contracts. If the contract is bad, it is bad regardless of whether you chose to sign it.
      - efficax 3mo ago
        there are lots of cloud suppliers besides whichever big name cloud this is, you can even find other cloud providers in seattle
      - fsuts 3mo ago
        B2b contracts have less protection in law than consumer contracts As businesses are expected to be more informed and equal in the negotiations

lmm 3mo ago

Trade ins are fine. A contractual commitment to not buy hardware sounds like illegal restraint of trade.

brookst 3mo ago
How? It’s a contract. Should I be allowed to pay a landscaper less if I agree to not do part of the work myself? I don’t understand the desire to tell totally anonymous third parties the terms under which they are allowed to deal with each other.
- lmm 3mo ago
  > It’s a contract Many kinds of contracts are illegal, including those that are anticompetitive in certain ways. > Should I be allowed to pay a landscaper less if I agree to not do part of the work myself? No?