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I still can't even get a physical key anywhere in person. You can certainly get phones just about anywhere, but you can't get any FIDO keys at brick and mortar,

by kotaKat 3mo ago

I still can't even get a physical key anywhere in person. You can certainly get phones just about anywhere, but you can't get any FIDO keys at brick and mortar, last I checked. Until I can tell Grandma to "go down to Walmart and ask the man at the electronics counter for a Yubikey", we still have a few issues. (No. Ordering online is *not* a valid option in this scenario. If I want to order a Yubikey to this address at this exact moment in time and space, Amazon won't deliver one to me for at least six days at the earliest, based on their rural delivery estimate. Replacing a key is basically impossible.)

simoncion 3mo ago
> Amazon won't deliver one to me for at least six days at the earliest, based on their rural delivery estimate. That sounds like an Amazon problem. For 40 USD, yubico.com says that it will deliver a shipment on the next business day to this rather rural house I see in the middle of Foothills Road in Newman Lake, Washington. Also: > Replacing a key is basically impossible. If you know that getting next-day delivery is dreadfully difficult, then order a handful to have as spares. "If you can reasonably afford it, always buy more than one." is solid advice for just about every important thing that you are likely to break or lose.
- kotaKat 3mo ago
  > Newman Lake, Washington You're 21 miles from Spokane. I'm over 120+ north from Syracuse, NY. That's not rural, not one iota. Our Walmart isn't even a Supercenter. > "If you can reasonably afford it" I mean, at nearly $40 for shipping and something like $40-50 a key, I'm not sure I can reasonably afford to buy more than one on the average blue collar American IT worker's wage of sub-$30 an hour. If you'd like, I can give you my CashApp for donation purposes?
  - simoncion 3mo ago
    > I mean, at nearly $40 for shipping and something like... As you noted in your original post, next-day shipping is a shipping method so expensive that Amazon only offers it in select locations. An honest reader notes that three-to-seven day shipping is 4 USD, and the one-to-four day rate is 8 USD. > You're 21 miles from Spokane. No, I'm zero miles from San Francisco. But all sorts of places offer effectively-next-day shipping to SF, so I had to find somewhere by dragging around on Google Maps. > I'm over 120+ north from Syracuse, NY. Okay, is Beaver River Air Field, Eagle Bay, NY 13331 sufficiently rural for you? That's ~200 miles from Syracuse as the crow drives and about 90 as the crow flies. If not, how about 9340 Long Pond Rd, Croghan, NY 13327 or Forest Lodge Sports Club, Honnedaga Lake Rd, Cold Brook, NY 13324 ? All of these are still the same price to next-day, one-to-four-day, or three-to-seven-day ship.
    - kotaKat 3mo ago
      I'm glad you've wasted that much time trying to argue the shipping factor and I'm glad you get to brag even more that you can afford to live in San Francisco. I'll take some of your money now, please. I'm scraping together what I can in what some people called "America's Siberia" and am forced to take care of elderly family and have zero escape plan except for working a horribly underpaid IT job here :) https://cash.app/$meow https://cash.app/$meow
      - simoncion 3mo ago
        So it is as I said from the outset: > Amazon won't deliver one to me for at least six days at the earliest, based on their rural delivery estimate. That sounds like an Amazon problem. But perhaps even 4 USD is too much for you to pay for faster shipping than what Amazon can bother to provide you. If that's the case, then I offer my condolences.
Telaneo 3mo ago
I can in fact buy one at a local brick-and-mortar store, but the price is triple/quadruple the amount I'd pay for a copy of my house key. Add in that the whole flow is something grandma is not going to be able to grok, and the whole idea is still-born. If I were administrating that part of her life too, then maybe, but I'm not really happy with how Yubikey has solved for this problem either. If I could buy them for nearly throwaway amounts of money, and I could make backup copies without issue, then I might even jump on that particular train myself.

by kotaKat 3mo ago

simoncion 3mo ago

> Amazon won't deliver one to me for at least six days at the earliest, based on their rural delivery estimate. That sounds like an Amazon problem. For 40 USD, yubico.com says that it will deliver a shipment on the next business day to this rather rural house I see in the middle of Foothills Road in Newman Lake, Washington. Also: > Replacing a key is basically impossible. If you know that getting next-day delivery is dreadfully difficult, then order a handful to have as spares. "If you can reasonably afford it, always buy more than one." is solid advice for just about every important thing that you are likely to break or lose.

kotaKat 3mo ago
> Newman Lake, Washington You're 21 miles from Spokane. I'm over 120+ north from Syracuse, NY. That's not rural, not one iota. Our Walmart isn't even a Supercenter. > "If you can reasonably afford it" I mean, at nearly $40 for shipping and something like $40-50 a key, I'm not sure I can reasonably afford to buy more than one on the average blue collar American IT worker's wage of sub-$30 an hour. If you'd like, I can give you my CashApp for donation purposes?
- simoncion 3mo ago
  > I mean, at nearly $40 for shipping and something like... As you noted in your original post, next-day shipping is a shipping method so expensive that Amazon only offers it in select locations. An honest reader notes that three-to-seven day shipping is 4 USD, and the one-to-four day rate is 8 USD. > You're 21 miles from Spokane. No, I'm zero miles from San Francisco. But all sorts of places offer effectively-next-day shipping to SF, so I had to find somewhere by dragging around on Google Maps. > I'm over 120+ north from Syracuse, NY. Okay, is Beaver River Air Field, Eagle Bay, NY 13331 sufficiently rural for you? That's ~200 miles from Syracuse as the crow drives and about 90 as the crow flies. If not, how about 9340 Long Pond Rd, Croghan, NY 13327 or Forest Lodge Sports Club, Honnedaga Lake Rd, Cold Brook, NY 13324 ? All of these are still the same price to next-day, one-to-four-day, or three-to-seven-day ship.
  - kotaKat 3mo ago
    I'm glad you've wasted that much time trying to argue the shipping factor and I'm glad you get to brag even more that you can afford to live in San Francisco. I'll take some of your money now, please. I'm scraping together what I can in what some people called "America's Siberia" and am forced to take care of elderly family and have zero escape plan except for working a horribly underpaid IT job here :) https://cash.app/$meow https://cash.app/$meow
    - simoncion 3mo ago
      So it is as I said from the outset: > Amazon won't deliver one to me for at least six days at the earliest, based on their rural delivery estimate. That sounds like an Amazon problem. But perhaps even 4 USD is too much for you to pay for faster shipping than what Amazon can bother to provide you. If that's the case, then I offer my condolences.

Telaneo 3mo ago

I can in fact buy one at a local brick-and-mortar store, but the price is triple/quadruple the amount I'd pay for a copy of my house key. Add in that the whole flow is something grandma is not going to be able to grok, and the whole idea is still-born. If I were administrating that part of her life too, then maybe, but I'm not really happy with how Yubikey has solved for this problem either. If I could buy them for nearly throwaway amounts of money, and I could make backup copies without issue, then I might even jump on that particular train myself.