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rules for thee but not for me
by treetalker 3mo ago
rules for thee but not for me
- dang 3mo agoPlenty of HN readers feel this way and it's a good point, but it has also become an entirely cliché response which pops up like mushrooms anytime "distillation" appears. That means it's against the site guidelines, which ask: "Eschew flamebait. Avoid generic tangents. Omit internet tropes." - https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html I don't mean to pick on you personally! It's just that reflexive responses always tend to show up first in a thread, when what we really want are reflective responses [1]. Similarly, there's a strong tendency for threads to turn into generic discussions, whereas what we really want are specific ones [2]. [1] https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=reflective%20reflex%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor... [2] https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=generic%20discussion%20by%3Adang%20-flamewars%20-flamewar&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...
- Bratmon 3mo agoLaughing at the idea of distillation being bad is exactly as cliche/flamebaity as complaining that your model got distilled. No more, no less.
- cmdocidjcije 3mo agoAt this point distillation is part of the ecosystem and everyone should embrace it. If distillation is a threat to one’s business model, then the business strategy needs to shift.
- cassianoleal 3mo agoI have to agree. I've flagged the post.
- phikappa 3mo agosure but anthropic is not literally in the comments complaining, so it's not quite apples to apples, right?
- ceejayoz 3mo ago> it has also become an entirely cliché response To be fair, that's also the case for the link itself we're discussing.
- supriyo-biswas 3mo agoI think then we should ban these sorts of posts about the allegation of distillation, since being able to post the story but then warning accounts with comments about the hypocrisy, is not the correct way to go about it.
- latexr 3mo agoI agree in the abstract, but perhaps the way to avoid generic responses is to disallow (or segment) generic submissions. This website is no longer HN, it should be renamed AIN. There is only so much to say about the subject, and if cliché submissions keep getting accepted and upvoted and shoved to every visitor without a way to avoid them (barring leaving the website entirely), then people will eventually gravitate to the same responses. If your neighbours play loud music every night, they don’t get to complain that everyone is always mentioning the loud music to them. You are a fantastic moderator, but there’s only so much even you can do. If nothing changes about the website, the problem will only get worse. I warned years ago that this would happen, the signs were on the wall immediately.
- Der_Einzige 3mo agoYou just told on yourself big time about being a lapdog for the US Feds. Easily one of the worst moderation decisions you’ve ever made and that’s impressive given your track record.
- unethical_ban 3mo agoTelling someone to have more than 20 characters in a comment on HN is bootlicking? Absolute lunacy.
- buellerbueller 3mo agoRequiring someone to have more than 20 characters, when 20 or fewer will do perfectly? Yes.
- dang 3mo agoExact steps from https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html to US Fed asset are left as an exercise to the reader?
- dare944 3mo agoIn the controversy over AI and intellectual property rights, the notion of asymmetrical enforcement of those rights is presently an active and dynamic rhetorical position. If you suppress responses espousing that position, how am I to judge the breadth of the position in the debate? When I see a lot of the responses, even cliche ones, it tells me people are passionate about the issue. Right now I think that's an interesting piece of information.
- unethical_ban 3mo agoLet me put it in an HN-acceptable format: Given the disregard for intellectual property rights the AI labs had in creating the technology, many people feel no sympathy for second-order AI labs using similar techniques to build technology off the US frontier labs. I think fighting distillation will always be cat-and-mouse, and that it's more of a concern for the stockholders and perhaps an iota of national security. It can't be stopped entirely; the "problem" will always be there. I'm much more concerned about asymmetry of power between citizens and their governments with omnipresent surveillance and analysis being done on everyone living their lives. Societies throughout history have taken as a given their power to overthrow malicious governments when things hit a breaking point, and I am scared that this technology will lock societies into a state of total subordination for eternity.
- onraglanroad 3mo agoThat's a better comment but > Societies throughout history have taken as a given their power to overthrow malicious governments when things hit a breaking point, simply isn't true. People throughout history have simply accepted that society is the way it is and sometimes used whatever means they could to get to the top. Revolutions have been very rare and usually ended up with the revolutionaries simply taking the place of the previous rulers. "Meet the new boss..."
- unethical_ban 3mo agoThen let's call it a reset, one way or the other. I'm afraid society won't be able to hit the reset button on a government in the future.