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I like paying to invest in a new sustainable ecosystem. Using SERP API doesn't feel like that to me. See Brave for a counterexample.

Grombobulous 3mo ago
My pushback on this idea and your previous comment in this thread is that a search engine is a service being provided to me. I pay Kagi, they give me search results. It’s not an ecosystem. None of their competitors are all that much of an ecosystem, either. If Kagi goes out of business tomorrow it’s really not my problem, with the exception of the prorated balance of the subscription. The only thing that really matters is that running searches in Kagi is a better experience in Kagi than Google or Bing or DuckDuckGo or most of the rest. That’s what makes me pay for it. I don’t really need to know how the sausage is made (except for the privacy aspect).
- inigyou 3mo ago
  This. We are all too worried about the future. Like today's "I won't use Codeberg because tomorrow they could ban all repositories that contain Chinese characters." Well if that happens then you move. We all die in the end anyway.
  - evolve2k 3mo ago
    You undervalue our collective momentum. The speed with which many of us respond when a tech company does something really stupid is a key reason that things are not even shitter.
    - inigyou 3mo ago
      What's your favourite software? Linux? You know when Linus dies it'll just get absorbed by IBM, right?
      - evolve2k 3mo ago
        Arch, btw.
fsflover 3mo ago
I guess you can't make such ecosystem before growing sufficiently large. And for that you need to rely on something for some time first.
Hackbraten 3mo ago
I think that ship has sailed [0]. If Microsoft hasn’t managed to build a meaningful search index after 17 years of sinking billions in it, there’s a good chance that no one ever will. [0]: https://blog.kagi.com/waiting-dawn-search https://blog.kagi.com/waiting-dawn-search (cf. section _The problem: A search monopoly_)

Grombobulous 3mo ago

My pushback on this idea and your previous comment in this thread is that a search engine is a service being provided to me. I pay Kagi, they give me search results. It’s not an ecosystem. None of their competitors are all that much of an ecosystem, either. If Kagi goes out of business tomorrow it’s really not my problem, with the exception of the prorated balance of the subscription. The only thing that really matters is that running searches in Kagi is a better experience in Kagi than Google or Bing or DuckDuckGo or most of the rest. That’s what makes me pay for it. I don’t really need to know how the sausage is made (except for the privacy aspect).

inigyou 3mo ago
This. We are all too worried about the future. Like today's "I won't use Codeberg because tomorrow they could ban all repositories that contain Chinese characters." Well if that happens then you move. We all die in the end anyway.
- evolve2k 3mo ago
  You undervalue our collective momentum. The speed with which many of us respond when a tech company does something really stupid is a key reason that things are not even shitter.
  - inigyou 3mo ago
    What's your favourite software? Linux? You know when Linus dies it'll just get absorbed by IBM, right?
    - evolve2k 3mo ago
      Arch, btw.

fsflover 3mo ago

I guess you can't make such ecosystem before growing sufficiently large. And for that you need to rely on something for some time first.

Hackbraten 3mo ago

I think that ship has sailed [0]. If Microsoft hasn’t managed to build a meaningful search index after 17 years of sinking billions in it, there’s a good chance that no one ever will. [0]: https://blog.kagi.com/waiting-dawn-search https://blog.kagi.com/waiting-dawn-search (cf. section _The problem: A search monopoly_)