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> There needs to be a royalty payment based on if the AI regurgitates existing ideas. So, by that logic, you need to be paying every time you regurgitate any o
by visarga 3mo ago
> There needs to be a royalty payment based on if the AI regurgitates existing ideas.
So, by that logic, you need to be paying every time you regurgitate any of my ideas. Or anyone else's. Copyright now protects abstractions and vibes. Substantial similarity test be damned. Nobody can write stories about wizard schools, the idea is taken.
- 21asdffdsa12 3mo agoEvery morning we pay royalties to prometheus for we all are toast.
- runroader 3mo agoHumans are not computers. Humans are not a service. In the end, all laws are made up rules and can absolutely be written to have different outcomes and restrictions based on if a human is doing something or if a program is doing it.
- pj_mukh 3mo agoReal question, if an LLM shouldn't be able to remix someone's written work, why should a robot be able to build a chair that kinda looks like a chair a carpenter built that one time? The carpenter was a human, and humans are not a service. Why this distinction only for intellectual work?
- echelon_musk 3mo agoI suspect chairs have been public domain since the advent of man.
- eloisius 3mo agoFor the same reason that you can make a similar-looking chair, but you can’t distribute a fuzzy copy of Star Wars. The char isn’t a copyrighted work.
- pj_mukh 3mo ago"The char isn’t a copyrighted work." An Eames chair is, we just have a really high bar for what is copyrightable in the physical world, and it seems pointlessly discriminatory.
- tripzilch 3mo agoUhuh so it seems that you weren't, in fact, asking a "Real question", but came here for an argument.
- kevin_thibedeau 3mo agoFurniture designs can be covered by varying intellectual property laws.
- jayGlow 3mo agothis copy of Star wars seems pretty fuzzy https://dev.to/kasuken/how-to-watch-star-wars-in-your-terminal-523c https://dev.to/kasuken/how-to-watch-star-wars-in-your-termin... there are also fan remakes of movies like this one. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3528906/ https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3528906/ I'm not a lawyer but this does seem like they're wholesale copying ideas.
- runroader 3mo agoHonestly? I don’t know, I don’t have a whole coherent ethos about LLMs. But I do know someone definitely paid for the textbooks I used when learning in school.
- Orygin 3mo agoYou indeed need to pay someone if you take their copyrighted materials and regurgitate it. Ask DJ's and producers how they need to include royalties for samples used in their tracks.
- echoangle 3mo agoThere’s a difference between an abstract idea and the concrete thing. Regurgitating an idea is different than repeating the text verbatim. Ideas are protected by patents, not copyright.
- inigyou 3mo agoSo now that we have a magical paraphrasing machine, we can just run any copyrighted work through it to remove the copyright? Cool, I get a GPL version of Microsoft Office.
- echoangle 3mo agoIf you just use the abstract idea, you could have done the same thing yourself all the time already.
- hamandcheese 3mo agoIs Claude's paraphrasing of Lord of the Rings equivalent to the original?
- pj_mukh 3mo ago"I get a GPL version of Microsoft Office." Is this not..Libre?
- inigyou 3mo agoLibreOffice is a different product from Microsoft Office.
- dec0dedab0de 3mo ago
- benj111 3mo agoWell I think that is the greater question. Is AI just an algorithm. Is human creativity just an algorithm? Who, if anyone should own the copyright if you prompt AI to write a book? I'm thinking more from a moral and philosophical pov, the copyright regime is broken anyway
- PhunkyPhil 3mo agoThis isn't that out there in our current scenario. These models compress our collective thought and effort. Why not make these publicly owned, all profits distributed back to us?