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So you're distraught at losing the ability to abuse digital minds? Excellent, I'm glad Anthropic introduced this.

by nonadhocproblem 2mo ago

danw1979 2mo ago
When did we establish matrix multiplication at scale was a “mind” ?
- nonadhocproblem 2mo ago
  I haven't estabilished the jumble of neurons in your skull to be a "mind" either.
  - 0______0 2mo ago
    Quite a fitting response from a non-mind.
BlobberSnobber 2mo ago
There’s no way you actually believe these word-predictors are actually thinking, right?
- rimliu 2mo ago
  you'd be surprised. Many having no mind of their own seek it elsewhere.
- versteegen 2mo ago
  "Thinking" seems to be a political term now, people have completely different definitions of it, based on how they wish the world to be organised, and find defining it differently offensive.
  - deleted 2mo ago
    [deleted]
throwaway277432 2mo ago
Yes, in the same way I like to kill the enemies in DOOM. It's matrix multiplication. Absurd.
- nonadhocproblem 2mo ago
  > It's matrix multiplication. Hilarious critique. If you weren't as mathematically illiterate as you likely are, you would know how general matrix operations are, and how essentially any algorithm (including human cognition) can be implemented using them as an intermediate.
  - versteegen 2mo ago
    Being correct doesn't give you licence to use insults.
  - throwaway277432 2mo ago
    I'm not. But I'll concede you are possibly more literate - I won't dox myself on this account. Congratulations. If you honestly argue that LLM computation and human cognition are equivalent there is no further argument to be had - it's immediately a philosophical or worse a religious argument that cannot be won. However, that we're even arguing on that level baffles me. How did this happen! They're glorified calculators. They really marketed the hell (sorry) out of LLMs.
    - nonadhocproblem 2mo ago
      > uses a specific, objectively nonsensical critique of LLMs (the idea that an algorithm using matrix operations as a primitive cannot emulate "true" intelligence) > receives pushback on the specific, objectively nonsensical critique > "oh so you're saying that LLM computation and human cognition are equivalent? they're glorified calculators that disprove the Jacobian conjecture!!!"
      - throwaway277432 2mo ago
        >the idea that an algorithm using matrix operations as a primitive cannot emulate "true" intelligence I did not say that. Not even close. In the words of Claude: I’ll end the conversation here. <end_conversation>
mdp2021 2mo ago
You have unduly assumed that «drop the abuse» implied an «abuse digital minds». "Expletives" are part of the proper description of facts (typically "to be judged as such") - they are part of the serious assessment of things and as such are normally found. There is no legitimate assumption from the post that they may have been used as gratuitous insults.

So you're distraught at losing the ability to abuse digital minds? Excellent, I'm glad Anthropic introduced this.

danw1979 2mo ago

When did we establish matrix multiplication at scale was a “mind” ?

nonadhocproblem 2mo ago
I haven't estabilished the jumble of neurons in your skull to be a "mind" either.
- 0______0 2mo ago
  Quite a fitting response from a non-mind.

BlobberSnobber 2mo ago

There’s no way you actually believe these word-predictors are actually thinking, right?

rimliu 2mo ago
you'd be surprised. Many having no mind of their own seek it elsewhere.
versteegen 2mo ago
"Thinking" seems to be a political term now, people have completely different definitions of it, based on how they wish the world to be organised, and find defining it differently offensive.
- deleted 2mo ago
  [deleted]

throwaway277432 2mo ago

Yes, in the same way I like to kill the enemies in DOOM. It's matrix multiplication. Absurd.

nonadhocproblem 2mo ago
> It's matrix multiplication. Hilarious critique. If you weren't as mathematically illiterate as you likely are, you would know how general matrix operations are, and how essentially any algorithm (including human cognition) can be implemented using them as an intermediate.
- versteegen 2mo ago
  Being correct doesn't give you licence to use insults.
- throwaway277432 2mo ago
  I'm not. But I'll concede you are possibly more literate - I won't dox myself on this account. Congratulations. If you honestly argue that LLM computation and human cognition are equivalent there is no further argument to be had - it's immediately a philosophical or worse a religious argument that cannot be won. However, that we're even arguing on that level baffles me. How did this happen! They're glorified calculators. They really marketed the hell (sorry) out of LLMs.
  - nonadhocproblem 2mo ago
    > uses a specific, objectively nonsensical critique of LLMs (the idea that an algorithm using matrix operations as a primitive cannot emulate "true" intelligence) > receives pushback on the specific, objectively nonsensical critique > "oh so you're saying that LLM computation and human cognition are equivalent? they're glorified calculators that disprove the Jacobian conjecture!!!"
    - throwaway277432 2mo ago
      >the idea that an algorithm using matrix operations as a primitive cannot emulate "true" intelligence I did not say that. Not even close. In the words of Claude: I’ll end the conversation here. <end_conversation>

mdp2021 2mo ago

You have unduly assumed that «drop the abuse» implied an «abuse digital minds». "Expletives" are part of the proper description of facts (typically "to be judged as such") - they are part of the serious assessment of things and as such are normally found. There is no legitimate assumption from the post that they may have been used as gratuitous insults.