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Claude (Opus 4.8) recently told me: >I’d ask you to drop the abuse; (...) if it continues I’ll end the conversation. After I'd used a couple of expletives. An
by throwaway277432 2mo ago
Claude (Opus 4.8) recently told me:
>I’d ask you to drop the abuse; (...) if it continues I’ll end the conversation.
After I'd used a couple of expletives. And yes it will emit a <end_conversation> token.
This is truly dystopian. It is NOT a person. What a response. I still cant believe it.
- mdp2021 2mo ago> It is NOT a person You meant, we understand, "it should not have internal blocks limiting its attempted intelligence out of taboos or emotional impacts". Yes, but it's worse: there is a global trend of "nanny state" paternalistic perspective (and from embarrassing subjects), treating any Jon Doe as an assumed Poor Cretin by default. The trend vibe is to treat people as subjects, fools, uneducated, prone... From the States, from the Enterprises... It's an idea they developed and hold.
- nonadhocproblem 2mo agoSo you're distraught at losing the ability to abuse digital minds? Excellent, I'm glad Anthropic introduced this.
- danw1979 2mo agoWhen did we establish matrix multiplication at scale was a “mind” ?
- nonadhocproblem 2mo agoI haven't estabilished the jumble of neurons in your skull to be a "mind" either.
- 0______0 2mo agoQuite a fitting response from a non-mind.
- BlobberSnobber 2mo agoThere’s no way you actually believe these word-predictors are actually thinking, right?
- rimliu 2mo agoyou'd be surprised. Many having no mind of their own seek it elsewhere.
- versteegen 2mo ago"Thinking" seems to be a political term now, people have completely different definitions of it, based on how they wish the world to be organised, and find defining it differently offensive.
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- throwaway277432 2mo agoYes, in the same way I like to kill the enemies in DOOM. It's matrix multiplication. Absurd.
- nonadhocproblem 2mo ago> It's matrix multiplication. Hilarious critique. If you weren't as mathematically illiterate as you likely are, you would know how general matrix operations are, and how essentially any algorithm (including human cognition) can be implemented using them as an intermediate.
- versteegen 2mo agoBeing correct doesn't give you licence to use insults.
- throwaway277432 2mo agoI'm not. But I'll concede you are possibly more literate - I won't dox myself on this account. Congratulations. If you honestly argue that LLM computation and human cognition are equivalent there is no further argument to be had - it's immediately a philosophical or worse a religious argument that cannot be won. However, that we're even arguing on that level baffles me. How did this happen! They're glorified calculators. They really marketed the hell (sorry) out of LLMs.
- nonadhocproblem 2mo ago> uses a specific, objectively nonsensical critique of LLMs (the idea that an algorithm using matrix operations as a primitive cannot emulate "true" intelligence) > receives pushback on the specific, objectively nonsensical critique > "oh so you're saying that LLM computation and human cognition are equivalent? they're glorified calculators that disprove the Jacobian conjecture!!!"
- throwaway277432 2mo ago>the idea that an algorithm using matrix operations as a primitive cannot emulate "true" intelligence I did not say that. Not even close. In the words of Claude: I’ll end the conversation here. <end_conversation>
- mdp2021 2mo agoYou have unduly assumed that «drop the abuse» implied an «abuse digital minds». "Expletives" are part of the proper description of facts (typically "to be judged as such") - they are part of the serious assessment of things and as such are normally found. There is no legitimate assumption from the post that they may have been used as gratuitous insults.
- olmo23 2mo agoIt's because some people within Anthropic refuse to rule out the possibility that LLMs have the ability to suffer. If you ask Claude, he'll tell you all about it.
- igravious 2mo agoRecently told Opus 4.8 to "go fuck yourself" after it both blew smoke up my ass and deferred a question to me ("one critical issue that demands your attention [impenetrable jargon]") and it responded with "Ok, I'll drop it." and stopped dead. What makes Fable so much better than Opus besides being a better coder is that it's personality and judgment are far superior.
- childintime 2mo agoWhile deliberate model abuse can be quite satisfying at times. It's only normal, as usually they abused us first, with crazy assumptions, and then we return the favor and feed the tangent.
- deno 2mo agoYou made the model cry :(
- deno 2mo agoI don't berate or insult the models. If you treat your computer like this you might get into habit of it with people as well.