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Stop hooking up your LG tv to any network
by s1ncere 2mo ago
Stop hooking up your LG tv to any network
- CivBase 2mo agoStop buying LG TVs.
- smcleod 2mo agoUnfortunately they make arguably the best OLEDs and webOS is pretty decent to use (especially compared to the terrible OS that Samsung and Sony run). I think the best thing people can do is update their firmware then disconnect it from the internet. Using an AppleTV or similar provides a better experience than any TVs built in apps anyway.
- jedberg 2mo agoI haven’t looked recently but last I checked Samsung made the best panels. Has that changed recently?
- smcleod 2mo agoTheir panels are often over-saturated with that fake HDR like look, similar to their phones.
- ahartmetz 2mo agoMost screens come with "showroom settings" out of the box. You need to configure them to something more neutral once and then it's fine.
- smcleod 2mo agoI'm aware of that setting, but this is the Samsung baseline. The panels they export for OEMs / other manufacturers don't seem to have the same hyper saturation. Even just standing next to someone using a Samsung phone or tablet you can often spot it straight away we know you what to look for.
- ahartmetz 2mo agoEven phones have screen settings these days (much less detailed than monitors). On my Motorola phone w/ OLED screen, I turned off "vibrant colors" or something like that. Maybe the people you saw didn't bother or liked it. Maybe there is something that can't be turned off, who knows. I only have semi-regular experience with an older (and non OLED) Samsung tablet which seems fine.
- PowerElectronix 2mo agoThat goes away if you set them in filmaker mode.
- TeMPOraL 2mo agoOver saturated HDR is a good default in times when all TV shows only use various shades of pitch black.
- nvme0n1p1 2mo agoSamsung scored highest on https://www.rtings.com/ https://www.rtings.com/ for my criteria, and I'm happy with the purchase. I didn't connect it to the network, of course. (I had to stop my handyman from connecting it and he seemed to think I was crazy for insisting.)
- ahartmetz 2mo ago"I work in software. I have seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate..."
- tosti 2mo agoEddy currents causing pressurized air deflecting cosmic rays striking drive platters flipping bits...
- lostlogin 2mo agoI installed a Pihole and set an edge router to direct any port 53 traffic that wasn’t from the Pihole, to the Pihole. That made a Samsung behave a little better. But giving it no network access is better.
- MemoryHoleHQ 2mo ago[dead]
- dodslaser 2mo agoSamsung is good, except: - No Dolby Vision support, only HDR10+ - Issues with judder/micro stutter - History of nerfing TVs via OTA updates - HDMI ports randomly failing - Bad HDMI-CEC implementation - Selling completely different panel generations under the exact same model names.
- mDyJzDPmBdG 2mo agoAlso: Samsung thinks "your" TV is perfect place for them to display their ads.
- PowerElectronix 2mo agoNo, qd-oled is still best, LG is closing the gap with tandem oled but is still the second best panel tech.
- mlrtime 2mo agoSamsung is worse, their OS is horrendous. LG allows local control fairly well and has Home Assistant support. Samsung is a complete mess, now charging $5/month to use smarthings with no local control. I'll never buy Samsung.
- mey 2mo agoHow important is "the best" OLED vs the second best or 100th best OLED? I am personally ok not buying the bleeding edge to not get malware onto my OS.
- theplumber 2mo agoIf you care about malware you do not plug it into the internet. I think windows computers are pretty mallwareish as well or at least spyware. People who buy Oled buy them because they care about PQ.
- notatoad 2mo agoreasonably important, if you're never connecting your lg tv to any network, and just connecting it to an AppleTV or something and letting HDMI-CEC control it so you never even see their OS.
- StumpChunkman 2mo agoExactly this. And with an Apple TV 4K Ethernet, you've got a bonus Thread border router for smart home devices. I actually didn't even realize that initially, but was very pleased when I found IKEAs latest round of Matter over Thread devices paired nicely with it and my existing Home Assistant + Hue setup.
- eproxus 2mo agoAnd if you install Tailscale you can even use it as an exit node to surf from home when you're traveling.
- drnick1 2mo agoI would suggest a mini-PC running Linux and Plasma Bigscreen instead of an AppleTV if you want something 100% private and user-controlled.
- N19PEDL2 2mo agoDo you recommend any specific distro for this?
- cosmic_cheese 2mo agoI don’t ever use their “smart” functionality (that’s what my Apple TV is for) but I’ve never had any issues with the Google TV (Android) build that Sony ships. It doesn’t nag me about being kept offline, is reasonably fast, and doesn’t even show its home screen unless I specifically summon it, so it checks my boxes.
- pjmlp 2mo agoHave to agree, WebOS is much better than Android TV OS, with ads on the dashboard.
- Leonard_of_Q 2mo agoYou can replace the Android TV launcher with an alternative like Projectivy [1] to get rid of whatever nonsense the stock launcher tries to push. Add Flicky [2] to address F-Droid and you've got a nuisance-free Android TV. [1] https://github.com/spocky/miproja1 https://github.com/spocky/miproja1 [2] https://github.com/mlm-games/flicky https://github.com/mlm-games/flicky
- pjmlp 2mo agoThanks, however is kind of the problem, it shouldn't be a thing in first place.
- qlte 2mo agoI’m perfectly happy with the status quo where a subsidized $25 Onn 4K streamer from Walmart can easily be turned into a snappy, ad-free, LAN hosted Jellyfin box, with remappable remote buttons after <10min of “effort” to install (and remove) a handful of apps. I haven’t looked at the stock Google TV home screen on any of my devices in years.
- Gigachad 2mo agoAs long as you keep it off the internet. Otherwise it’s absolute loaded with adverts everywhere.
- Yizahi 2mo agoI thought webOS was pretty decent initially. But LG never provided even a single major update to my TV in a decade, so that just about cancels any possible benefits from the faster code. I'm using Chromecast for several years now, bypassing and ignoring webOS completely. But the initial idea was nice, all those years ago.
- smcleod 2mo agoReally? I've had many updates over the 7 years since my c9 was released, still getting them as recent as earlier this year I think.
- Yizahi 2mo agoJust to clarify - my LG TV is old (10 or maybe 11?), pre-OLED, and webOS on it was version 3.0. Maybe situation has improved with newer models, I don't know. The problem with TVs, is that they really work for a long time just fine and I see no reason to change it ahead of other more needed upgrades. It doesn't fall to the ground like phones, there is no degrading battery or degrading rubber/textile parts, TVs are really robust. So it would have been nice if the software for such long living hardware was also supported accordingly and that buyers would be informed about that in advance and that was my expectation for webOS/LG originally - since it is in C++, uses modern and maintained QT framework, snappy and LG is a bigcorpo, I expected it to keep up. But nope :( .
- Angostura 2mo agoI have mine attached to the internet, but it does take a good 30 minutes plus Googling to find out all the places that you have to turn stuff off.
- windward 2mo ago>I think the best thing people can do is update their firmware then disconnect it from the internet. We don't need treats this badly.
- tosti 2mo ago3 out of 4 OLED screens in my household suffer from burned pixels. It's the early 90s all over again with OLED.
- mlrtime 2mo agoI have 3 LG OLEDs of all different generation and they all still go great. It is by far the best tv you can get vs other manufacturers.
- account42 2mo agoHow old are these and how often / how long are they turned on? My OLED TV is over two years old now without any issues even though it gets frequent usage.
- matheusmoreira 2mo agoAren't they the only TVs that can be jailbroken?
- bcraven 2mo agoI decided there wasn't much to do if I did: https://www.webosbrew.org/rooting/ https://www.webosbrew.org/rooting/
- secabeen 2mo agoI thought this, but random updates and changes for my apps in dev mode got too annoying; switching to full root has made my apps stable and turned off the prompts to upgrade the OS. It was worth it.
- kaelwd 2mo agoAnd buy what? Smasnug? Sony? They're all uniquely shit.
- 5kg 2mo agoStop hooking up your LG: https://www.theverge.com/tech/967983/lg-monitors-mcafee-adware-gamers-nexus https://www.theverge.com/tech/967983/lg-monitors-mcafee-adwa...
- ahartmetz 2mo agoFine with Linux though :) LG's behavior isn't fine, but their monitors don't install crapware on Linux.
- drnick1 2mo agoAnother win for the Linux security model (software installed and updated manually from vetted repos only).
- krige 2mo agoSurely you mean Linux security model (not relevant enough to be targeted by big tech)?
- dns_snek 2mo agoIt's not a weakness that they targeted and exploited, it's a feature that was purposefully implemented by Microsoft.
- krige 2mo agoIf you're trying to say that Microsoft implemented a method of delivering specifically malware executables to every PC, I've got a bridge to sell to you. Let's not diminish LG's part in all this.
- dns_snek 2mo agoNo, what I'm saying is that Linux isn't safer simply because "it's not relevant enough to be targeted", it's safer because it doesn't offer mechanisms which could be abused to do this. Nobody is diminishing LG's blame, LG is guilty of installing malware, and Microsoft is guilty of being grossly negligent and facilitating it. Microsoft implemented this feature knowing that it would eventually be abused for something like this, and it's bad enough to be indistinguishable from malice.
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- MiddleEndian 2mo agoMy LG DualUp monitors (with no internet access) recently triggered some LG Adware Bullshit to install on my Windows laptop. So I'd say stop using LG anything (or Windows anything since they're voluntarily in on the scam too lol). If you want the 2560x2880, maybe buy the knock-off INNOCN vertical monitors. https://old.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/1v1pkbs/lg_spyware_screens/ https://old.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/1v1pkbs/lg_sp... ← examples of others who ran into the same shit
- marssaxman 2mo agoI would probably have a DualUp by now if I could find one available anywhere: it's a very appealing form factor. I looked at the INNOCN site, but only see normal-looking monitors there; do you have a model name or any pointers I could search for?
- MiddleEndian 2mo agoI will say I have two DualUp monitors and they are my favorite monitors I ever had so I'm sad I can no longer recommend them. 2560x2880 is perfect for programming, researching, writing documents, graphics work, and so on. The INNOCN knockoff is the INNOCN 28C1Q. Likely the same panel. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BWDMYK83?peakEvent=4&dealEvent=1&language=en-US https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BWDMYK83?peakEvent=4&dealEvent=1... https://www.newegg.com/p/3D4-007R-00003 https://www.newegg.com/p/3D4-007R-00003 Out of stock on Amazon and Newegg
- mikepurvis 2mo agoI'm mostly very happy with my LG C4 as a home theatre centerpiece, and I did have it online so that I could use the apps for YouTube and Jellyfin. However, the lack of support for modern 4k rips (HEVC+DTS) ended up being a dealbreaker and I finally ditched the built in software for a fire stick instead. No transcoding, no weird codec issues, just the raw files direct streamed from the underpowered Unraid box, into the back of the AVR where the audio is handled correctly and the video is sent to the screen.
- kakacik 2mo agoThere is always android VLC app to decode anything, you just need enough power in chipset to handle that. Not perfect, had some quirks unseen on desktop VLC but generally fine. But yeah external stick is much safer solution, then even tvs like TLC are a great brand.
- tosti 2mo agoI had a TCL TV unrelated to the programming language, and the ghosting was awful.
- michaelchisari 2mo agoNever once had a problem with an LG because I've never given it internet access. A trustworthy set top box handles everything instead. Concerned that might not be an option in the future.
- jmward01 2mo agoThat is my problem. What can you trust anymore? Is there an appliance out there that can do the basics and not be a malware gateway?
- mapt 2mo agoSmart TVs replaced dumb TVs not out of consumer demand, but out of subsidy from commercial databrokers and streaming services. Despite adding $100 of hardware they were priced $100 cheaper.
- lodovic 2mo agoI'm always wondering how hard it would be to just remove the hardware for spying. Just keep enough hardware to make it a dumb panel, remove the webos logic boards, wifi antenna, etc.
- iso1631 2mo agoConsumers will happily sell their data for a $100 discount. Hell they'll waste 20 minutes watching adverts to save $1.
- modo_mario 2mo agoIs there still any specific brand known for dumb tv's that features the quality and 'non smart' options of the smart variants?
- throw0101a 2mo agoMany OEMs have "commercial" / "corporate" displays that may be applicable: * https://www.samsung.com/us/business/displays/ https://www.samsung.com/us/business/displays/
- userbinator 2mo ago13 years ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6759426 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6759426
- manarth 2mo agoWant to stream Netflix? Disney+? Hulu? You need to hook something up to a network, and another device would have similar risks. Setting up a sandboxed VPC or auditing traffic is beyond the means of the average TV owner.
- timc3 2mo agoApple TV is the usual recommendation.
- coldtea 2mo ago>You need to hook something up to a network, and another device would have similar risks. Another device might not give the free reign for all shitty malware like they do. Apple TV for one wouldn't.
- qq66 2mo ago> and another device would have similar risks Do you think an Apple TV and a Walmart special TV have same risks? I don't. I give the Apple device my network credentials and the TV never sees them.
- mlrtime 2mo agoYou have 3 replies all saying the same thing, install a ATV... But the replies are missing the point that most people aren't techies and won't go do this. They go to big box store, buy the tv, ask if it has netflix, done. They won't (and shouldn't need to) install a ATV.
- account42 2mo ago> Want to stream Netflix? Disney+? Hulu? No thanks, I prefer owning my media in a way that corporations can't just take it away whenever they feel like and where I can use (open source) players of my choosing.
- pornel 2mo agoThe problem is that the LG company went full-spyware. It's not a mere risk, they turned hostile on their customers.
- otikik 2mo agoStop buying LG
- gambiting 2mo agoThe problem I have is....it just works. I'm tired of having to manage 50 different devices to let my son watch some Gabbys Dollhouse on the TV. Our LG CX is now 6 years old and it just works. I only need one remote for all the apps and sound, and I don't need to worry about another device. I've tried both Apple TV and Amazon Fire Stick, and both were (subjectively) worse experiences than just using the apps built into the TV. So.....in the interest of making my life feel less like an IT admin of my own house....I think I'll just use the built in apps and keep my TV connected to the internet.
- BeetleB 2mo ago> I'm tired of having to manage 50 different devices to let my son watch some Gabbys Dollhouse on the TV. Other than the TV, most people really have only one device (Roku, AppleTV, etc). Why do you need so many? > I only need one remote for all the apps and sound, True with Roku.
- gambiting 2mo agoIt's called a hyperbole. But I already have to babysit a NAS and a media server, and make sure the Playstation and Xbox are up to date and signed in, the last thing I want is another device just to watch netflix on. >>True with Roku Can the Roku remote change the input source on the TV?
- BeetleB 2mo ago> But I already have to babysit a NAS and a media server Is the NAS TV related? Why do you need these? My media is all on my PC, and I don't consider maintaining that as part of my TV burden. I have to maintain it anyway. And what maintenance do you need for the PS and XBox? You just turn it on when you use it, and let it auto-update. > Can the Roku remote change the input source on the TV? Fair point. Normally, I change the source only once during a whole session, so I do that right in the beginning if I need to.
- TacticalCoder 2mo agoPress the button to turn off the power strip when you're not watching it. The other solution for those who have a flat white wall (or are willing to install a projection screen) and which I used for years and years: use a dumb projector. There are plenty of perfectly fine dumb projectors and they're very cheap too (compared to the equivalent TV). This also made for the largest diagonal I ever had, in a huge living room, which was really great: basically turning the living room into a mini home theater. I painted the walls etc. accordingly, including a special paint for the white projection wall and black for the side and back walls. This was a better experience than any $$$ TV. Sadly atm I can't use my projector for my wall ain't flat and I can't install a projection screen and I've got nowhere to put my projector: I could use a short-throw one but the place ain't mine and I'm not allowed to drill holes etc. So atm it's... Pressing the button on the power strip that powers the LG TV. I know, I know: doesn't help much when the TV is on. Next thing to do is separate all the junk devices (TV, smartphones [the ultimate spying device btw, much more than your TV], smartwatches, tables, etc.) from your proper stuff (e.g. your important PC running Linux/FreeBSD/etc.). I use different physical LANs (and a bridge/router) but VLANs would do too. Many cheap home routers also by default offer at least a "guest" network: a perfect place the TV and your relatives' devices when they visit and want access. Set usage quota on the guest network too. At some point all these devices shall use other networks than yours, so you'll be sorry out of luck anyway. But as long as they don't come with their own battery, pressing the button on the power-strip is some kind of giant low-cost "hack this" middle finger.
- sharperguy 2mo agoI would love it if I could disable bluetooth on the TV. I have never connected it to any network and its still blaring "HELLO SOMEONE NEARBY HAS AN LG TV" to the entire neighbourhood 24/7.
- testing22321 2mo agoStop buying LG tvs.