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> Saying a behavior is a bug is a very convenient semantic game in which there is nothing the AI can do maliciously Not really. If I build a special new wine b
by JumpCrisscross 3mo ago
> Saying a behavior is a bug is a very convenient semantic game in which there is nothing the AI can do maliciously
Not really. If I build a special new wine bottle, and call every breakage a mis-alignment problem, it's not the bottle just being fucked in the same way every fucked bottle is fucked, that's marketing. It doesn't change the fundamental form of the problem.
> "I am sorry your family is dead, my bad"
This should be punished. It's a problem that plagues Instagram and OpenAI. It's not inherently one, though, that has to do with AI. Just sociopaths preying on children.
> honestly believe you have a misunderstanding of what alignment is in neural networks that this that big of debate
Perhaps. I haven't seen someone explain it to me in this thread in a way that seems separate from bugs.
Where I have seen a separate class of problem argued is where it's existential. But in that case, clarity of definition comes at the cost of any evidence for it.
- fwipsy 3mo agoLLMs are software. Software misbehaving is a bug. Therefore, misalignment is a bug. It's still a useful category because LLM/black box AI behavior is so different from existing software. This incident definitely fits the category. You seem to be using a different definition of alignment from everyone else. Seems like it would be much easier for everyone if you just adopt everyone else's definition, rather than trying to convince everyone else to adopt yours.
- JumpCrisscross 3mo ago> You seem to be using a different definition of alignment from everyone else. Seems like it would be much easier for everyone if you just adopt everyone else's definition You're still failing to provide the definition. You're also falsely claiming your secret definition is universal. In this thread, someone claims deleting a home directory is a failure of aligment.
- pixl97 3mo agoThere is no secret definition here, it's been defined long before LLMs where a thing. Robert Miles YT channel is a good place to start as it explains these concepts. https://youtu.be/bJLcIBixGj8?si=YLpqgd4uqbjhn9zo https://youtu.be/bJLcIBixGj8?si=YLpqgd4uqbjhn9zo
- JumpCrisscross 3mo agoIf you have a text-based source, I’m open. And I’ve watched the definition change over decades—I’m deeply sceptical you can find any experts in the field who would agree alignment is clearly and consistently defined.