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As I looked through the images I was unimpressed entirely, at first. But, then I started thinking, these look a little... "childish" to me. Childish as in... A
by NichoPaolucci 3mo ago
As I looked through the images I was unimpressed entirely, at first. But, then I started thinking, these look a little... "childish" to me.
Childish as in... A newish artist who is drawing a concept rather than light / forms (Which is something artists typically do as they understand drawing more and more).
The rose in the vase specifically - some models understood that there was supposed to be shading, reflections, the concept of refraction - others just drew "blue = glass" and "green = stem" and "red = rose".
Really odd to look at, considering if I saw any of these drawings from a human kid, I would say "good job buddy" and put it on the fridge. I'm expecting these to get better as models improve, and perhaps the artistic progression will be there along with it...
- ralusek 3mo agoWhat's interesting is that the way in which they're childish is actually extremely human. In fact, one of the ways that you're often taught to draw more realistically is to stop thinking of the concepts as icons you're drawing the outlines of, and instead sort of blur your eyes and see things as they are: hues and values. In other words, become a camera or a printer that has no idea what it's capturing or printing other than a grid of values. That is how you achieve realism. The fact that it has clearly iconified these concepts in its mind and is tracing the outlines of the things it thinks/expects to go where is very human.
- cj 3mo agoParrots can also sound extremely human, but it’s only mimicry. How do we know the difference?
- elcritch 3mo agoYes, but Parrots don't mimic the stages of learning speech development like children do. They just memorize a phrase. These SOTA LLMs aren't trying to mimic existing children's drawings, but interestingly they're following somewhat similar progression that human children do as they develop.
- diegof79 3mo agoThey don’t develop. We should stop anthropomorphizing LLMs. AI labs are improving the ML techniques used to build better models; it’s a big difference.
- ETH_start 3mo agoIsn't LLM training, the development?
- tadfisher 3mo agoThe LLMs themselves are not doing the developing or learning.
- ipaddr 3mo agoLLMs come complete they don't train on the fly based on interaction with the world. LLMs are wikipedia if they stopped allowing edits and all of the previous edits are training.
- saidnooneever 3mo agothere is infact RL for LLMs and its unlikely the frontier labs do not use it in some ways
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- richk449 3mo agoIf you want to know if something is a human or a parrot, you could give it a paint brush and ask it to paint the Mona Lisa.
- saidnooneever 3mo agoyou can also use your eyes, hands or other senses :'). reminds me of those jokes? what is difference between a parot and a human? silence rly? u cant tell the difference between a parot and a human? :')
- CamperBob2 3mo agoWhat's your parrot's take on the Jacobian Conjecture?
- cj 3mo agoMy parrot doesn't have a take, but it sure can repeat one it heard on Reddit.
- CamperBob2 3mo agoSo, you're saying that it was somebody on Reddit who disproved the conjecture, and not a "stochastic parrot?"
- cj 3mo agoYou asked for my parrot's take, not how to disprove a conjecture. Edit: And not a great example to use to prove human-ness considering humans didn't disprove the conjecture?
- CamperBob2 3mo agoParrot analogies for frontier AI are so stupid that they prove human-ness by dint of being a mistake no thinking entity would make.
- cj 3mo agoPerhaps you can answer this for me. Why do some people get very defensive when you suggest AI isn’t comparable to humans? Like, where is it coming from? Why do people seem to want to ascribe human traits on the tech? It’s just technology. Why do we need to draw parallels to biology? Is it actually helpful? My position is “no” because the parallels only seem similar, but fundamentally aren’t.
- CamperBob2 3mo agoWhy do some people get very defensive when you suggest AI isn’t comparable to humans? But you didn't do that, did you? You rattled off a goofy cliché about parrots that we've all heard a hundred times before. If that's all you have to contribute to the conversation, go contribute it somewhere else.
- NichoPaolucci 3mo agoYes - precisely what I was getting at with the childish comment. It felt a bit surreal to see a machines rendition of something that very closely maps to a younger human as they explore + understand more about the world. Scary, even (to me). This was the first time I’ve seen LLM output and thought “wow, maybe it is learning.”
- userbinator 3mo agoReally odd to look at, considering if I saw any of these drawings from a human kid, I would say "good job buddy" and put it on the fridge. The Grok ones in particular gave me that thought. Most of them really look like what a kid would do when given the same tools, while the other models' output have distinctly more "AI-ness" to them (for lack of a better term.)
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- MarcScott 3mo agoGrok consistently draws images that, if I were its parent, I would refuse to put on the fridge door.
- jvanderbot 3mo agoI call this "symbol drawing". Beginning artists do this. They think "This is a head, a head is round. This is where eyes go, eyes are shaped like this", and the whole thing ends up being a collage of symbols vs a representation of the space and experience of viewing a face. When I used to be OK at drawing, it was because I forced myself to use touch instead of sight to compose images. So weird to explain, but I'd feel the 3d to get the lighting and such better. A lot of art that someone smarter than me told me to appreciate seems to follow the pattern of hitting the space and/or experience while minimizing the use of symbols. Impressionistic paintings esp avoid symbols IMHO, while bizzaro picassos abuse symbols outright and still hit the experience they are going for.
- danesparza 3mo agoI took the same prompts to Gemini and was stunned by the results. The are completely different from the images shown in the article (and genuinely good art pieces that were generated).
- jstanley 3mo agoWere you using the Gemini image generator though? The article is about using LLMs to do drawing via tool calls.