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> ones who have been involved in abuse scandals in the past (Churches, Scouts, etc) And those groups still have lower rates of abuse than Schools which do a lo

> ones who have been involved in abuse scandals in the past (Churches, Scouts, etc) And those groups still have lower rates of abuse than Schools which do a lot less training and enforcement of youth protection policies. Children are still safer in Scouts and churches than in schools. Just about every kid goes to school though, so people just prefer to sweep that under the rug and focus on targeting organizations they are not a part of or disagree with because they're easier to demonize and make fun of. I work with kids, and I've had to take the Scouts and Catholic Church's youth protection training. They are both free to take online if anyone wants to check it out.

fluoridation 3mo ago
>And those groups still have lower rates of abuse than Schools Is that in absolute terms, or per child who frequents the establishment?
- rationalist 3mo ago
  > rates So something like 1 per 100,000; which of course is still 1 too many. (The other comments in other branches seem to prove my point. I am not defending any institution by the way. No one should be covering up crimes and/or allowing criminals to victimize people further.)
  - fluoridation 3mo ago
    "Rate" is an ambiguous word. Molested children per year is a rate just as molested children per total children is. >something like 1 per 100,000 What is this? What number are you citing, and where are you getting it from?
    - rationalist 3mo ago
      I've never heard anyone say that a rate is ambiguous. It seems like you're trying to be disingenuous, first with "rate", now with my clearly-arbitrary example of rate. > something like
      - fluoridation 3mo ago
        A rate is just a ratio between two quantities. You've never heard speed defined as the rate of movement? I might have interpreted your example as such if not for the "one too many" comment. It's strange to throw out a completely fictitious figure and then lament it as if it's real.
        godwinson__4-8 3mo ago
        who is fighting windmills now? :P see how your patience has been rewarded... no good deed goes unpunished. he will never produce an actual figure. look at his other replies. such a victim complex. on behalf of the catholic church. regarding their sexual abuse of minors. what more is there to say?
        rationalist 3mo ago
        > he will never produce an actual figure. > It's strange to throw out a completely fictitious figure and then lament it as if it's real. You two are insufferable. Anyway: If you do an online search, the first results you may get, say how hard it is to compare. Here is one comparison that I did find: https://actheologian.com/2025/04/22/comparing-child-abuse-rates-in-churches-to-secular-institutions/ https://actheologian.com/2025/04/22/comparing-child-abuse-ra... Please note, this is not where I got my figures years ago, as I no longer have access to that source. > Public Schools ~450 per 100,000 > Boy Scouts ~100–200 per 100,000 > Protestant Churches Likely 1–5 per 100,000 > Catholic Church (Priests Only) ~1 per 100,000 Also note, something like 90% of the Boy Scout sexual abuse cases were prior to the 1970s before they started mandating adults to take youth protection training. Today, the Boy Scouts and Catholic Church have some of the most comprehensive youth protection traing around, way better than any schools' youth protection training according to educators that I've talked with. Good riddance. Go sharpen your ideological axes somewhere else.
      - phoghed 3mo ago
        No, it seems more like you are being disingenuous. All you have to do is drop a link to the rates you’re referring to. Instead you’re just arguing semantics. Where’s the receipts?
godwinson__4-8 3mo ago
Does the school work to cover it up to the same extent? Are people across the school in on it? Are the rates of abuse higher on a per capita basis? Why are you making apologies for (Catholic) church sex abuse? Because you are a member and you took a training? Yikes.
- schrodinger 3mo ago
  Where did you see apologies? I read it basically as “schools are even worse than churches and scouts yet are overlooked,” nothing apologizing for the churches.
  - xboxnolifes 3mo ago
    HN is very anti-religion. It turns off their brain when they see it and leads to these kinds of responses.
    - godwinson__4-8 3mo ago
      Please tell me which part of your brain is engaged when you converse with your imaginary friend? Is that really the best reply you could conjure? Maybe you can produce some evidence absolving the Catholic Church here? Or are you also an apologist for institutions that call themselves sacred engaging in systemic sex abuse?
      - pixl97 3mo ago
        While I am as anti religious as you, probably not the best discussion method. Instead ask them if their church ever taught them anything on how to prevent sexual abuse, in both children or adults. Quickly you'll find the apologist for the church saying it's not the churches job even though they are in charge of children and vulnerable adults almost all the time.
        rationalist 3mo ago
        FWIW, the Catholic Church and the other Church I go to, both require training on how to prevent abuse, sexual and otherwise, towards children, if you're in a ministry that works with children. That's why their rates of abuse are lower than other institutions such as schools.
snozolli 3mo ago
And those groups still have lower rates of abuse than Schools What evidence do you have of this? The only sources I can find that would even vaguely support your claim switch to talking about physical abuse in schools, or sexual assault committed by fellow students. To be clear, we're discussing the sexual assault of children by adults here. We're not talking about physical abuse, nor are we talking about assault by fellow students.
- pixl97 3mo ago
  Ya I personally don't believe it myself. Schools have legal demands on reporting. Every church I had went to when I was young covered CSA up and ensured the perpetrators were never brought to justice.
  - rationalist 3mo ago
    Flat earthers do not believe the world is round, yet it is. Feel free to read my comment I posted hours ago, with a link.
    - pixl97 3mo ago
      I mean, the earth isn't exactly trying to hide that it is round, religious criminals are.

fluoridation 3mo ago

>And those groups still have lower rates of abuse than Schools Is that in absolute terms, or per child who frequents the establishment?

rationalist 3mo ago
> rates So something like 1 per 100,000; which of course is still 1 too many. (The other comments in other branches seem to prove my point. I am not defending any institution by the way. No one should be covering up crimes and/or allowing criminals to victimize people further.)
- fluoridation 3mo ago
  "Rate" is an ambiguous word. Molested children per year is a rate just as molested children per total children is. >something like 1 per 100,000 What is this? What number are you citing, and where are you getting it from?
  - rationalist 3mo ago
    I've never heard anyone say that a rate is ambiguous. It seems like you're trying to be disingenuous, first with "rate", now with my clearly-arbitrary example of rate. > something like
    - fluoridation 3mo ago
      A rate is just a ratio between two quantities. You've never heard speed defined as the rate of movement? I might have interpreted your example as such if not for the "one too many" comment. It's strange to throw out a completely fictitious figure and then lament it as if it's real.
      - godwinson__4-8 3mo ago
        who is fighting windmills now? :P see how your patience has been rewarded... no good deed goes unpunished. he will never produce an actual figure. look at his other replies. such a victim complex. on behalf of the catholic church. regarding their sexual abuse of minors. what more is there to say?
        rationalist 3mo ago
        > he will never produce an actual figure. > It's strange to throw out a completely fictitious figure and then lament it as if it's real. You two are insufferable. Anyway: If you do an online search, the first results you may get, say how hard it is to compare. Here is one comparison that I did find: https://actheologian.com/2025/04/22/comparing-child-abuse-rates-in-churches-to-secular-institutions/ https://actheologian.com/2025/04/22/comparing-child-abuse-ra... Please note, this is not where I got my figures years ago, as I no longer have access to that source. > Public Schools ~450 per 100,000 > Boy Scouts ~100–200 per 100,000 > Protestant Churches Likely 1–5 per 100,000 > Catholic Church (Priests Only) ~1 per 100,000 Also note, something like 90% of the Boy Scout sexual abuse cases were prior to the 1970s before they started mandating adults to take youth protection training. Today, the Boy Scouts and Catholic Church have some of the most comprehensive youth protection traing around, way better than any schools' youth protection training according to educators that I've talked with. Good riddance. Go sharpen your ideological axes somewhere else.
    - phoghed 3mo ago
      No, it seems more like you are being disingenuous. All you have to do is drop a link to the rates you’re referring to. Instead you’re just arguing semantics. Where’s the receipts?

godwinson__4-8 3mo ago

Does the school work to cover it up to the same extent? Are people across the school in on it? Are the rates of abuse higher on a per capita basis? Why are you making apologies for (Catholic) church sex abuse? Because you are a member and you took a training? Yikes.

schrodinger 3mo ago
Where did you see apologies? I read it basically as “schools are even worse than churches and scouts yet are overlooked,” nothing apologizing for the churches.
- xboxnolifes 3mo ago
  HN is very anti-religion. It turns off their brain when they see it and leads to these kinds of responses.
  - godwinson__4-8 3mo ago
    Please tell me which part of your brain is engaged when you converse with your imaginary friend? Is that really the best reply you could conjure? Maybe you can produce some evidence absolving the Catholic Church here? Or are you also an apologist for institutions that call themselves sacred engaging in systemic sex abuse?
    - pixl97 3mo ago
      While I am as anti religious as you, probably not the best discussion method. Instead ask them if their church ever taught them anything on how to prevent sexual abuse, in both children or adults. Quickly you'll find the apologist for the church saying it's not the churches job even though they are in charge of children and vulnerable adults almost all the time.
      - rationalist 3mo ago
        FWIW, the Catholic Church and the other Church I go to, both require training on how to prevent abuse, sexual and otherwise, towards children, if you're in a ministry that works with children. That's why their rates of abuse are lower than other institutions such as schools.

snozolli 3mo ago

And those groups still have lower rates of abuse than Schools What evidence do you have of this? The only sources I can find that would even vaguely support your claim switch to talking about physical abuse in schools, or sexual assault committed by fellow students. To be clear, we're discussing the sexual assault of children by adults here. We're not talking about physical abuse, nor are we talking about assault by fellow students.

pixl97 3mo ago
Ya I personally don't believe it myself. Schools have legal demands on reporting. Every church I had went to when I was young covered CSA up and ensured the perpetrators were never brought to justice.
- rationalist 3mo ago
  Flat earthers do not believe the world is round, yet it is. Feel free to read my comment I posted hours ago, with a link.
  - pixl97 3mo ago
    I mean, the earth isn't exactly trying to hide that it is round, religious criminals are.