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AI Agent – TRMNL

51 points by joeyespo 3mo ago

rogerrogerr 3mo ago
Pretty sure there are not 250 countries. How hard is it to validate the enormous number in the header image?
- embedding-shape 3mo ago
  There are some databases including territories and stuff that sometimes lands in the ~250 region, but should be stated if so. Closer to 200-210 or UNs "193 countries" tend to be a bit more common to use though, always depend on what exactly you see as a "country" I suppose.
- pixl97 3mo ago
  There are 249 country codes, which is a possible definition used.
  - adolph 3mo ago
    Out of the gate, Canada and the US share 1 as country code and includes entities that aren't countries like Globalstar (Mobile Satellite Service): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_telephone_country_codes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_telephone_country_code...
    - least 3mo ago
      It’s not telephone country codes, but ISO 3166 country codes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ISO_3166_country_codes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ISO_3166_country_codes
- craftkiller 3mo ago
  There is no correct answer for the number of countries in the world. I'd recommend this Map Men video on the difficulty of deciding what is or isn't a country: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nB688xBYdY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nB688xBYdY
mort96 3mo ago
It's so disappointing to watch trmnl, a really interesting hardware product concept, transition into being just another AI company.
- goda90 3mo ago
  Is this really transitioning into another AI company? It's an integration for having a 3rd party AI vibe code plugins for their hardware's interface.
- Kudos 3mo ago
  [flagged]
- ryanckulp 3mo ago
  i founded TRMNL and didn't try AI myself until ~2 months ago. i'd rather shut down down and open source everything (per our Unbrickable Pledge) than become "just another AI company." the AI Agent exists to empower less technical folks to turn their vision into reality, and we're proud of what's possible with it. meanwhile our top community developers continue to hand craft beautiful, useful plugins for everyone to install, LLM free.
  - hankbond 3mo ago
    I appreciate the effort and I think this is a great way to engage a broader audience. This level of software complexity is perfect for non technical users to vibe code.
- hankbond 3mo ago
  Non technical users cannot code. If you want non-technical users to customize the product they purchased you have three options. - Add a narrow surface of customizability hardcoded into the application: colors, maybe fonts, picking from the plugins others have created - Provide a bounded method for using LLMs to generate some code from user requirements, plugin documentation (with code/architectural conventions), and probably some guardrails build process. - Tell them to just YOLO using vanilla claude code/codex Previously most "personal computing" (building custom stuff for your specific needs) was limited to people that either already are intimately aware of how computers and programming work, or people that were interested in starting down that path. Plenty of people do not have the time/energy to go down that path, but still want custom stuff. Yes you can't zero-shot robust enterprise software, but the models are good enough to few-shot solid results when it's bounded to some interface requirements (like an SDK). I don't make many predictions but this is one I am comfortable saying is the future of personal computing and what "harnesses" will look like in the future. Models will shrink and post-train to the use case at the enterprise level, and agent harnesses will go from things like codex/claude code to what look like self-assembling software. Give regular users an app with a plugin system, an agent, and a clear set of entry points and thats all they need to run.
Keeo 3mo ago
I would have one FAQ - does it require 20$ developer license?
deleted 3mo ago
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kevinsundar 3mo ago
> How much does it cost to build a plugin? > We're seeing an average of $1-3 per plugin. Is this really true, or is it overstated to be safe? Isn't it just a handful of html markup and JS?
- ryanckulp 3mo ago
  we can only estimate token <> cost in our cloud agent, but we also OSS'd the skills and in those cases the cost is ~$0 (part of one's LLM subscription): https://github.com/usetrmnl/trmnl-agent-skills https://github.com/usetrmnl/trmnl-agent-skills the agent also has a model switcher, and the estimate you quoted is based on Haiku when we launched.
ninju 3mo ago
Small suggestion on page navigation... I was not familiar with at TRMNL was and from the link I went to there was no way to get to the "home page" of the product (https://trmnl.com https://trmnl.com) I did not see anything in the footer section and clicking on the logo on top only sent me to Help home. I was trapped with no easy way to learn more about you guys
joshstrange 3mo ago
I've been buying (2 so far) Seeed Studio reTerminal e-ink screens, flashing them with ESPHome, then using Claude Code to write backends to render out whatever I want to put on the screens (a la TRMNL, I also have a TRMNL). Being able to "speak" into existence what I want is pretty freaking awesome. Note: Yes, I know what I'm about to say could be done using TRMNL (as part of it) I was able to set it up so that it rotates book quotes every day with a picture of the book cover next to the quote. That, on its own, is far from impressive. What made me giddy was that it shows book quotes that I've highlighted in KOReader on my jailbroken Kindle. KOReader syncs up to BookOrbit (open source ebook manager/reading tracking tool). The whole thing happens 100% local to my network. BookOrbit is running in a docker, my little server to render the book/quote runs in a docker, my Kindle talks to BookOrbit, my ReTerminal talks to HomeAssistant (ESPHome). It's 100% local and it's silly but it's mine and I love it. As I'm reading I highlight something and a day, a week, a month later I see it on the display on my dresser or in my office. I want to put these all over the place in my house and I already modified it once so each screen will get a different random quote so I don't have to worry about duplicates. I'm considering getting 1 display per book shelf where I have a full series and configuring it so that it just shows quotes I've highlighted from that series. The sky's the limit. I fully understand no one cares, I get it, this is super-duper-custom, "just for me", and that's what I love.
- gerogerke 3mo ago
  Have you looked at OpenDisplay? I have recently been playing with 4 color shelf displays from supermarkets. I have one showing max UV in my bathroom and whether I should wear sunscreen. Any Bluetooth proxy can write ODL/OEPL data to the device. There is a designer (https://schlomo.github.io/odl-drawcustom-designer/ https://schlomo.github.io/odl-drawcustom-designer/).
  - joshstrange 3mo ago
    I have not, I'll have to check this out. While I like my smart home stuff off my network (Z-Wave/Zigbee) I do have a soft spot for ESP32 (and it's own SSID/Vlan). I currently don't "manage" any bluetooth devices but I'll have to take a look! > 4 color I guess I should just get over myself but color e-ink (I have one) drives me nuts with its refreshing. At least the one I have can't partial refresh so it's a ~20-30 second flashing-hell every time you want to draw anything different. To be fair, I have these updating once a day and when I'm asleep so "who cares" but doing any active development/testing with one is maddening. EDIT: Holy crap, the ESP32 vs BT comparison is crazy! I would never have guessed it was that stark. Though it makes sense, I have mine deep sleep for all but <1min every day to wake and update and with config they should last months, but _years_ with regular updates throughout the day? So freaking cool! I'll probably be looking into some BT screens. It looks a little more DIY than the reTerminals I have but maybe this is the final push to get me, back, into 3D printing (enclosures for the board/screen/battery).
Calvin02 3mo ago
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- lanewinfield 3mo ago
  100%. I had one in my cart before I uncovered this stuff. Obviously people have a right to speak (and to buy the product), but it's too far for me.
trilogic 3mo ago
All I see lately is a router to proprietary api, pfff so tired of this. It is lame that this is in the first page and my post shadowbanned. Same circle over and over. Evaluating forum platform change...
vintagedave 3mo ago
There was a now-flagged comment [0] saying how excited they were until reading the author’s politics. I was curious. The links I found are all offline but sounded unpleasant. This means I can’t say for sure. I recognize some folk dislike mixing tech and politics, but human ethics and actions impact the world. It’s fair to feel distrust for any product based on the values that product’s creator expresses. I saw the author of TRMNL in this thread so perhaps I can invite him to address that — and in replies, let’s keep discourse civil and HN-like please. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48998497 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48998497
- theturtletalks 3mo ago
  It seems he had some really “interesting” blog posts on his website. The crazy part is that he took down his blog, but also removed it from The Internet Archive[0]. He’s gone to great lengths to remove his blog posts and that makes me wonder what he really said in those posts. 0. https://web.archive.org/web/2/https://www.ryanckulp.com https://web.archive.org/web/2/https://www.ryanckulp.com
  - twhitely 3mo ago
    https://thewritingsofryankculp.pages.dev/ https://thewritingsofryankculp.pages.dev/ is this the blog?
  - chaps 3mo ago
    From: https://lobste.rs/s/qj60m9/trmnl_e_ink_dashboard_stay_focused#c_5utzku https://lobste.rs/s/qj60m9/trmnl_e_ink_dashboard_stay_focuse... https://archive.is/JWBUj#selection-438.0-438.1 https://archive.is/JWBUj#selection-438.0-438.1 https://archive.is/3C5tR https://archive.is/3C5tR https://d5w6z860qaqqa0.archive.is/3Nu1c/35466b298ffa7adf3e80711caf2fa67d84743c4d.png https://d5w6z860qaqqa0.archive.is/3Nu1c/35466b298ffa7adf3e80... https://archive.is/F3Jlf https://archive.is/F3Jlf "this is wrong, but women deserve it. for years you've let men chop their d*cks off and pretend to be you. you celebrated it. now it's time to pay the piper, which means never winning a sport again. enjoy"
    - 2mo ago
waterTanuki 3mo ago
> Writing code is cool, but wouldn't it be cooler to type "build me a plugin showing populations around the world" and it Just Worked? I can't think of a string of words more unfitting for this website and its audience than this.

AI Agent – TRMNL

51 points by joeyespo 3mo ago

rogerrogerr 3mo ago

Pretty sure there are not 250 countries. How hard is it to validate the enormous number in the header image?

embedding-shape 3mo ago
There are some databases including territories and stuff that sometimes lands in the ~250 region, but should be stated if so. Closer to 200-210 or UNs "193 countries" tend to be a bit more common to use though, always depend on what exactly you see as a "country" I suppose.
pixl97 3mo ago
There are 249 country codes, which is a possible definition used.
- adolph 3mo ago
  Out of the gate, Canada and the US share 1 as country code and includes entities that aren't countries like Globalstar (Mobile Satellite Service): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_telephone_country_codes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_telephone_country_code...
  - least 3mo ago
    It’s not telephone country codes, but ISO 3166 country codes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ISO_3166_country_codes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ISO_3166_country_codes
craftkiller 3mo ago
There is no correct answer for the number of countries in the world. I'd recommend this Map Men video on the difficulty of deciding what is or isn't a country: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nB688xBYdY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nB688xBYdY

mort96 3mo ago

It's so disappointing to watch trmnl, a really interesting hardware product concept, transition into being just another AI company.

goda90 3mo ago
Is this really transitioning into another AI company? It's an integration for having a 3rd party AI vibe code plugins for their hardware's interface.
Kudos 3mo ago
[flagged]
ryanckulp 3mo ago
i founded TRMNL and didn't try AI myself until ~2 months ago. i'd rather shut down down and open source everything (per our Unbrickable Pledge) than become "just another AI company." the AI Agent exists to empower less technical folks to turn their vision into reality, and we're proud of what's possible with it. meanwhile our top community developers continue to hand craft beautiful, useful plugins for everyone to install, LLM free.
- hankbond 3mo ago
  I appreciate the effort and I think this is a great way to engage a broader audience. This level of software complexity is perfect for non technical users to vibe code.
hankbond 3mo ago
Non technical users cannot code. If you want non-technical users to customize the product they purchased you have three options. - Add a narrow surface of customizability hardcoded into the application: colors, maybe fonts, picking from the plugins others have created - Provide a bounded method for using LLMs to generate some code from user requirements, plugin documentation (with code/architectural conventions), and probably some guardrails build process. - Tell them to just YOLO using vanilla claude code/codex Previously most "personal computing" (building custom stuff for your specific needs) was limited to people that either already are intimately aware of how computers and programming work, or people that were interested in starting down that path. Plenty of people do not have the time/energy to go down that path, but still want custom stuff. Yes you can't zero-shot robust enterprise software, but the models are good enough to few-shot solid results when it's bounded to some interface requirements (like an SDK). I don't make many predictions but this is one I am comfortable saying is the future of personal computing and what "harnesses" will look like in the future. Models will shrink and post-train to the use case at the enterprise level, and agent harnesses will go from things like codex/claude code to what look like self-assembling software. Give regular users an app with a plugin system, an agent, and a clear set of entry points and thats all they need to run.

Keeo 3mo ago

I would have one FAQ - does it require 20$ developer license?

deleted 3mo ago

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kevinsundar 3mo ago

> How much does it cost to build a plugin? > We're seeing an average of $1-3 per plugin. Is this really true, or is it overstated to be safe? Isn't it just a handful of html markup and JS?

ryanckulp 3mo ago
we can only estimate token <> cost in our cloud agent, but we also OSS'd the skills and in those cases the cost is ~$0 (part of one's LLM subscription): https://github.com/usetrmnl/trmnl-agent-skills https://github.com/usetrmnl/trmnl-agent-skills the agent also has a model switcher, and the estimate you quoted is based on Haiku when we launched.

ninju 3mo ago

Small suggestion on page navigation... I was not familiar with at TRMNL was and from the link I went to there was no way to get to the "home page" of the product (https://trmnl.com https://trmnl.com) I did not see anything in the footer section and clicking on the logo on top only sent me to Help home. I was trapped with no easy way to learn more about you guys

joshstrange 3mo ago

I've been buying (2 so far) Seeed Studio reTerminal e-ink screens, flashing them with ESPHome, then using Claude Code to write backends to render out whatever I want to put on the screens (a la TRMNL, I also have a TRMNL). Being able to "speak" into existence what I want is pretty freaking awesome. Note: Yes, I know what I'm about to say could be done using TRMNL (as part of it) I was able to set it up so that it rotates book quotes every day with a picture of the book cover next to the quote. That, on its own, is far from impressive. What made me giddy was that it shows book quotes that I've highlighted in KOReader on my jailbroken Kindle. KOReader syncs up to BookOrbit (open source ebook manager/reading tracking tool). The whole thing happens 100% local to my network. BookOrbit is running in a docker, my little server to render the book/quote runs in a docker, my Kindle talks to BookOrbit, my ReTerminal talks to HomeAssistant (ESPHome). It's 100% local and it's silly but it's mine and I love it. As I'm reading I highlight something and a day, a week, a month later I see it on the display on my dresser or in my office. I want to put these all over the place in my house and I already modified it once so each screen will get a different random quote so I don't have to worry about duplicates. I'm considering getting 1 display per book shelf where I have a full series and configuring it so that it just shows quotes I've highlighted from that series. The sky's the limit. I fully understand no one cares, I get it, this is super-duper-custom, "just for me", and that's what I love.

gerogerke 3mo ago
Have you looked at OpenDisplay? I have recently been playing with 4 color shelf displays from supermarkets. I have one showing max UV in my bathroom and whether I should wear sunscreen. Any Bluetooth proxy can write ODL/OEPL data to the device. There is a designer (https://schlomo.github.io/odl-drawcustom-designer/ https://schlomo.github.io/odl-drawcustom-designer/).
- joshstrange 3mo ago
  I have not, I'll have to check this out. While I like my smart home stuff off my network (Z-Wave/Zigbee) I do have a soft spot for ESP32 (and it's own SSID/Vlan). I currently don't "manage" any bluetooth devices but I'll have to take a look! > 4 color I guess I should just get over myself but color e-ink (I have one) drives me nuts with its refreshing. At least the one I have can't partial refresh so it's a ~20-30 second flashing-hell every time you want to draw anything different. To be fair, I have these updating once a day and when I'm asleep so "who cares" but doing any active development/testing with one is maddening. EDIT: Holy crap, the ESP32 vs BT comparison is crazy! I would never have guessed it was that stark. Though it makes sense, I have mine deep sleep for all but <1min every day to wake and update and with config they should last months, but _years_ with regular updates throughout the day? So freaking cool! I'll probably be looking into some BT screens. It looks a little more DIY than the reTerminals I have but maybe this is the final push to get me, back, into 3D printing (enclosures for the board/screen/battery).

Calvin02 3mo ago

[flagged]

lanewinfield 3mo ago
100%. I had one in my cart before I uncovered this stuff. Obviously people have a right to speak (and to buy the product), but it's too far for me.

trilogic 3mo ago

All I see lately is a router to proprietary api, pfff so tired of this. It is lame that this is in the first page and my post shadowbanned. Same circle over and over. Evaluating forum platform change...

vintagedave 3mo ago

There was a now-flagged comment [0] saying how excited they were until reading the author’s politics. I was curious. The links I found are all offline but sounded unpleasant. This means I can’t say for sure. I recognize some folk dislike mixing tech and politics, but human ethics and actions impact the world. It’s fair to feel distrust for any product based on the values that product’s creator expresses. I saw the author of TRMNL in this thread so perhaps I can invite him to address that — and in replies, let’s keep discourse civil and HN-like please. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48998497 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48998497

theturtletalks 3mo ago
It seems he had some really “interesting” blog posts on his website. The crazy part is that he took down his blog, but also removed it from The Internet Archive[0]. He’s gone to great lengths to remove his blog posts and that makes me wonder what he really said in those posts. 0. https://web.archive.org/web/2/https://www.ryanckulp.com https://web.archive.org/web/2/https://www.ryanckulp.com
- twhitely 3mo ago
  https://thewritingsofryankculp.pages.dev/ https://thewritingsofryankculp.pages.dev/ is this the blog?
- chaps 3mo ago
  From: https://lobste.rs/s/qj60m9/trmnl_e_ink_dashboard_stay_focused#c_5utzku https://lobste.rs/s/qj60m9/trmnl_e_ink_dashboard_stay_focuse... https://archive.is/JWBUj#selection-438.0-438.1 https://archive.is/JWBUj#selection-438.0-438.1 https://archive.is/3C5tR https://archive.is/3C5tR https://d5w6z860qaqqa0.archive.is/3Nu1c/35466b298ffa7adf3e80711caf2fa67d84743c4d.png https://d5w6z860qaqqa0.archive.is/3Nu1c/35466b298ffa7adf3e80... https://archive.is/F3Jlf https://archive.is/F3Jlf "this is wrong, but women deserve it. for years you've let men chop their d*cks off and pretend to be you. you celebrated it. now it's time to pay the piper, which means never winning a sport again. enjoy"
  - 2mo ago

waterTanuki 3mo ago

> Writing code is cool, but wouldn't it be cooler to type "build me a plugin showing populations around the world" and it Just Worked? I can't think of a string of words more unfitting for this website and its audience than this.