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Forest fires are natural. Coral bleaching seems too actually be a sign of prosperity, not suffering.

pixl97 3mo ago
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bix6 3mo ago
Glyphosate has made forest fires worse. Bleaching happens when the symbiosis breaks down due to elevated temps. That is due to suffering and causes suffering.
- mythrwy 3mo ago
  I'm not a big fan of synthetic chemicals in the food supply but I can't help wondering how Glyphosate has made forest fires worse?
  - bix6 3mo ago
    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/sudbury/glyphosate-spraying-wildfires-1.7627844 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/sudbury/glyphosate-spraying-w... It changes the composition of the forests to make them more flammable.
    - mythrwy 3mo ago
      That isn't science that is some activists opinion and the amount of forests actually sprayed with glyphosate is not the majority or even close yet we still have wild fires. The article linked is mostly nonsense with regards to wild fires, it may have some validity for the areas sprayed regarding biodiversity.
      - bix6 3mo ago
        Alright boss, enjoy inhaling that glyphosate as the forests burn! I guess ecologists aren’t scientists? Wildland fire ecologist Bob Gray said leafy deciduous trees, like aspen, are more resilient to wildfires than softwood conifers like pine and spruce. "Softwoods are highly resinous," he said. "The foliage and bark is highly flammable. When you've got large contiguous areas of conifer forest, you can have large continuous forest fires."
        mythrwy 3mo ago
        I'm not a fan of Glyphosate but it's just not used enough in forests to be a primary factor in wildfires. Additionally, in the article you link, they are really reaching and again, this is just their activist opinion (chemicals bad! ok) and I don't see any actual studies on the topic. Doesn't pass basic sniff test.
        bix6 3mo ago
        I never said it was a primary but if you look at Canada they use it for logging and it has very clearly changed forest composition which is what these “activists” are pointing to. Multiple ecologists agree on the difference in flame resistance between tree types. I am saying glyphosate impacts fires and you are saying it doesn’t. The evidence shows that it does impact even if small. That is my point. When the scientific study that no one is going to fund comes out in 10 years showing this, it’ll be too late. This passes a basic sniff test if you use your brain to think through the chain of events.
        mythrwy 3mo ago
        "when the weapons of mass destruction are found it will be too late!" The composition of the forests changes in managed stands yes. But these are not most stands. And if the hardwoods are removed mechanically or with herbicide the change occurs. The real reason most out of control wildfires occur is because of too much fuel buildup. Poor management. Not letting smaller fires burn. That Glyphosate is used on a small fraction of forested land to kill hardwoods doesn't mean "Glyposate is causing forest fires!"
- aboardRat4 3mo ago
  >Glyphosate has made forest fires worse. How? How does this work? >Bleaching happens when the symbiosis breaks down due to elevated temps. The first part is correct, the second is unknown. In 2016, 84% of corals bleached, the highest number. Did global warming peak in 2016? I admit, saying "prosperity" was provocative. It's probably not a sign of prosperity. But what exactly it is a sign of, we have little idea.
  - bix6 3mo ago
    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/sudbury/glyphosate-spraying-wildfires-1.7627844 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/sudbury/glyphosate-spraying-w... It changes the composition of the forest to make it more flammable. I don’t understand your coral comment. The coral expels the algae because the temp causes it to expel harmful toxins. There are other triggers besides heat.
    - aboardRat4 3mo ago
      But... basically any human activity changes forest composition. Only 30% of the forests are primeval, and those 30% are not in Europe. Forests are not "natural" for thousands of years. >There are other triggers besides heat. The amount of studies (or corals and algae) seems to be insufficient. I clearly remember the alarmist wave of the 2016, which turned out to be, well, not entirely unjustified, but clearly exaggerated.
      - bix6 3mo ago
        Did you read the article? Yes so maybe you should fund a coral study so that you can then know the truth that anyone who looks at this stuff knows.
stasomatic 3mo ago
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bix6 3mo ago

Glyphosate has made forest fires worse. Bleaching happens when the symbiosis breaks down due to elevated temps. That is due to suffering and causes suffering.

mythrwy 3mo ago
I'm not a big fan of synthetic chemicals in the food supply but I can't help wondering how Glyphosate has made forest fires worse?
- bix6 3mo ago
  https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/sudbury/glyphosate-spraying-wildfires-1.7627844 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/sudbury/glyphosate-spraying-w... It changes the composition of the forests to make them more flammable.
  - mythrwy 3mo ago
    That isn't science that is some activists opinion and the amount of forests actually sprayed with glyphosate is not the majority or even close yet we still have wild fires. The article linked is mostly nonsense with regards to wild fires, it may have some validity for the areas sprayed regarding biodiversity.
    - bix6 3mo ago
      Alright boss, enjoy inhaling that glyphosate as the forests burn! I guess ecologists aren’t scientists? Wildland fire ecologist Bob Gray said leafy deciduous trees, like aspen, are more resilient to wildfires than softwood conifers like pine and spruce. "Softwoods are highly resinous," he said. "The foliage and bark is highly flammable. When you've got large contiguous areas of conifer forest, you can have large continuous forest fires."
      - mythrwy 3mo ago
        I'm not a fan of Glyphosate but it's just not used enough in forests to be a primary factor in wildfires. Additionally, in the article you link, they are really reaching and again, this is just their activist opinion (chemicals bad! ok) and I don't see any actual studies on the topic. Doesn't pass basic sniff test.
        bix6 3mo ago
        I never said it was a primary but if you look at Canada they use it for logging and it has very clearly changed forest composition which is what these “activists” are pointing to. Multiple ecologists agree on the difference in flame resistance between tree types. I am saying glyphosate impacts fires and you are saying it doesn’t. The evidence shows that it does impact even if small. That is my point. When the scientific study that no one is going to fund comes out in 10 years showing this, it’ll be too late. This passes a basic sniff test if you use your brain to think through the chain of events.
        mythrwy 3mo ago
        "when the weapons of mass destruction are found it will be too late!" The composition of the forests changes in managed stands yes. But these are not most stands. And if the hardwoods are removed mechanically or with herbicide the change occurs. The real reason most out of control wildfires occur is because of too much fuel buildup. Poor management. Not letting smaller fires burn. That Glyphosate is used on a small fraction of forested land to kill hardwoods doesn't mean "Glyposate is causing forest fires!"
aboardRat4 3mo ago
>Glyphosate has made forest fires worse. How? How does this work? >Bleaching happens when the symbiosis breaks down due to elevated temps. The first part is correct, the second is unknown. In 2016, 84% of corals bleached, the highest number. Did global warming peak in 2016? I admit, saying "prosperity" was provocative. It's probably not a sign of prosperity. But what exactly it is a sign of, we have little idea.
- bix6 3mo ago
  https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/sudbury/glyphosate-spraying-wildfires-1.7627844 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/sudbury/glyphosate-spraying-w... It changes the composition of the forest to make it more flammable. I don’t understand your coral comment. The coral expels the algae because the temp causes it to expel harmful toxins. There are other triggers besides heat.
  - aboardRat4 3mo ago
    But... basically any human activity changes forest composition. Only 30% of the forests are primeval, and those 30% are not in Europe. Forests are not "natural" for thousands of years. >There are other triggers besides heat. The amount of studies (or corals and algae) seems to be insufficient. I clearly remember the alarmist wave of the 2016, which turned out to be, well, not entirely unjustified, but clearly exaggerated.
    - bix6 3mo ago
      Did you read the article? Yes so maybe you should fund a coral study so that you can then know the truth that anyone who looks at this stuff knows.

stasomatic 3mo ago

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