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Why nothing in North America but forts? There are lots of ancient structures that should be considered. Ex: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montezuma_Castle_Natio

by 1970-01-01 3mo ago

Why nothing in North America but forts? There are lots of ancient structures that should be considered. Ex: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montezuma_Castle_National_Monument https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montezuma_Castle_National_Monu...

monomers 3mo ago
There's at least a couple on the map, e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chapultepec_Castle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chapultepec_Castle That one you linked definitely merits inclsion, tho. Had never heard of it. Thanks. Edit: Or maybe not: apparently it's not considered a castle, despite the name.
- 1970-01-01 3mo ago
  Castle means fortified stone building then? What are you considering? Wikipedia has many more. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_castles_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_castles_in_the_United_...
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sharkjacobs 3mo ago
> # Etymology > Neither part of the monument's name is correct. ... was not a "castle" in the traditional sense, but instead may have functioned more like a "prehistoric high rise apartment complex".[8] My understanding was always that aside from vanity castles like Craigdarroch (https://thecastle.ca https://thecastle.ca) there aren't castles in North America because they're only practical in a pre-cannon world
- bluGill 3mo ago
  Castles are practical against cannons but only if built with thicker walls than typical.
- hermitcrab 3mo ago
  Castles became star forts, with stone/brick augmented with massive amount of earth. These were relatively effective against artillery into the 20th century.
shagie 3mo ago
I'm moderately disappointed that Fort Point in San Francisco isn't listed. Things like Fort Dearborn in Chicago are listed, but all that remains is markers of the perimeter... while Fort Point is a structure that you can visit and walk around.

monomers 3mo ago

There's at least a couple on the map, e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chapultepec_Castle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chapultepec_Castle That one you linked definitely merits inclsion, tho. Had never heard of it. Thanks. Edit: Or maybe not: apparently it's not considered a castle, despite the name.

1970-01-01 3mo ago
Castle means fortified stone building then? What are you considering? Wikipedia has many more. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_castles_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_castles_in_the_United_...

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sharkjacobs 3mo ago

> # Etymology > Neither part of the monument's name is correct. ... was not a "castle" in the traditional sense, but instead may have functioned more like a "prehistoric high rise apartment complex".[8] My understanding was always that aside from vanity castles like Craigdarroch (https://thecastle.ca https://thecastle.ca) there aren't castles in North America because they're only practical in a pre-cannon world

bluGill 3mo ago
Castles are practical against cannons but only if built with thicker walls than typical.
hermitcrab 3mo ago
Castles became star forts, with stone/brick augmented with massive amount of earth. These were relatively effective against artillery into the 20th century.

shagie 3mo ago

I'm moderately disappointed that Fort Point in San Francisco isn't listed. Things like Fort Dearborn in Chicago are listed, but all that remains is markers of the perimeter... while Fort Point is a structure that you can visit and walk around.