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Try different harnesses people! I am actually preferring Chinese models at a fraction of the frontier price for coding. Yeah you need more tokens per unit of wo

by hahahaa 3mo ago

Try different harnesses people! I am actually preferring Chinese models at a fraction of the frontier price for coding. Yeah you need more tokens per unit of work done, but it is way cheaper still. Using CC/Opus as a staff eng / frac CTO. And Hermes/Chinese model as hopefully my team of mid levels. This way I can make good use of pro plan and then get cheap Chinese tokens for the rest and not hit a RL and know it can scale up. plus choosing your model is so cool and some are a lot less verbose. Hermes is a better coding tool IMO. I can't put my finger on why but it just feels better. Maybe being true yolo helps.

giancarlostoro 3mo ago
That's nice and all, but I would not get hired in many places that are heavily regulated and risk adverse, and would not hire someone who swears by said models because there is no trust in their creators not training for malicious intent, a random tool call here and there, and you've got a "open weight model" that can send your code anywhere. There's just no trust in a country that is digitally totalitarian and hostile towards its own people. Do people ever look at the full sized Tianamen Square photos? This is not even the photo of the many people on the ground who were killed by their government and it is still insane to look at. https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/dgua6k/the_full_tiananmen_square_tank_man_picture_is_so/ https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/dgua6k/the_full_tiana...
- timedude 3mo ago
  Thanks, this is the first time i see these photos http://www.cnd.org/June4th/massacre.html http://www.cnd.org/June4th/massacre.html
- hosteur 3mo ago
  > There's just no trust in a country that is digitally totalitarian and hostile towards its own people. Are you referring to USA, China or EU here?
  - whynotminot 3mo ago
    What you personally believe and perception within the United States are not the same thing.
    - preg_match 3mo ago
      The US is most definitely hostile towards its own people, and we also have the most comprehensive surveillance apparatus in the world. On par with, if not more extensive than, China. People largely can't protest here right now, and US citizens are being killed. People are being sent to work camps in countries where laws do not apply. And our leadership is, right now, priming the American people for when they reject the results of future elections. Not to mention everybody involved in the last attempted coup was pardoned - after we were told that our current leadership had nothing to do with the coup. The state of the US is much more dire than most people are letting on. And it's understandable why. Nobody likes bad news, and we all like to believe things will be okay. All I know is I can't take my phone into the airport. I can't go out and protest without risking my life and freedom. I can't drive anywhere without my location being tracked and logged. And, if I get pulled over, I must comply with any order, no matter how unlawful, otherwise I risk being executed in the street. Some of these things have been going on for a while, and some are new. But all are real.
      - buellerbueller 3mo ago
        >The state of the US is much more dire than most people are letting on. This is unfalsifiable, so not a great claim. You can continue to claim this forever without having to prove it. >All I know is I can't take my phone into the airport. I can't go out and protest without risking my life and freedom. I can't drive anywhere without my location being tracked and logged. And, if I get pulled over, I must comply with any order, no matter how unlawful, otherwise I risk being executed in the street. Wild, wild exaggerations, but you will point to your unfalsifiable claim to justify them. The VAST MAJORITY of people in the US who engage in the things that you claim that they cannot, do so, and with no consequence. I am no fan of this administration, but I am even less a fan of outright exaggeration (which is even one of the defining hallmarks of Mr. Trump)
- hahahaa 3mo ago
  And how is US doing on digitally totalitarian and hostile towards its own people? In practical terms you could get US and Chinese models to review each other, right. Depends what your use case is. Coding is kinda not so bad it is reviewable and immutable/traceable per commit. An AI app that is like a psychologist or something may be more worrying.
  - AlexandrB 3mo ago
    > And how is US doing on digitally totalitarian and hostile towards its own people? Seemingly better than everywhere else in the world, including where I live (Canada). Whataboutism doesn't really work when you use the least bad option as an example.
    - FeloniousHam 3mo ago
      And whatever can be said about the US, at least with democracy you get a chance to fire the leadership every four years (or even sooner the closer you to the place you live!).
    - mynameisbilly 3mo ago
      Are you familiar with the flock camera situation in the States? The American surveillance state has rapidly been getting worse with the help of this technology.
    - hahahaa 3mo ago
      Whataboutism moniker doesn't apply when the context is "avoid Chinese models because China commits crimes against humanity" and context is also "Top sota models for useful work are created by, let's list them all: US and China". If the argument is don't use Chinese models because China is hostile then let's say "The USA.... Objection: Relevance? Overruled". US is less hostile in the day to day sense, but they could look at your cloud data at any time because say someone in your company protested and exercised their 1A right, and the government didn't like that, so that sort of thing tracks directly to secrecy and privacy guarantees I might want from models. I personally don't worry for my sloperating but if I ran a large company's AI I might consider it. Esp if in Europe.

by hahahaa 3mo ago

giancarlostoro 3mo ago

That's nice and all, but I would not get hired in many places that are heavily regulated and risk adverse, and would not hire someone who swears by said models because there is no trust in their creators not training for malicious intent, a random tool call here and there, and you've got a "open weight model" that can send your code anywhere. There's just no trust in a country that is digitally totalitarian and hostile towards its own people. Do people ever look at the full sized Tianamen Square photos? This is not even the photo of the many people on the ground who were killed by their government and it is still insane to look at. https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/dgua6k/the_full_tiananmen_square_tank_man_picture_is_so/ https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/dgua6k/the_full_tiana...

timedude 3mo ago
Thanks, this is the first time i see these photos http://www.cnd.org/June4th/massacre.html http://www.cnd.org/June4th/massacre.html
hosteur 3mo ago
> There's just no trust in a country that is digitally totalitarian and hostile towards its own people. Are you referring to USA, China or EU here?
- whynotminot 3mo ago
  What you personally believe and perception within the United States are not the same thing.
  - preg_match 3mo ago
    The US is most definitely hostile towards its own people, and we also have the most comprehensive surveillance apparatus in the world. On par with, if not more extensive than, China. People largely can't protest here right now, and US citizens are being killed. People are being sent to work camps in countries where laws do not apply. And our leadership is, right now, priming the American people for when they reject the results of future elections. Not to mention everybody involved in the last attempted coup was pardoned - after we were told that our current leadership had nothing to do with the coup. The state of the US is much more dire than most people are letting on. And it's understandable why. Nobody likes bad news, and we all like to believe things will be okay. All I know is I can't take my phone into the airport. I can't go out and protest without risking my life and freedom. I can't drive anywhere without my location being tracked and logged. And, if I get pulled over, I must comply with any order, no matter how unlawful, otherwise I risk being executed in the street. Some of these things have been going on for a while, and some are new. But all are real.
    - buellerbueller 3mo ago
      >The state of the US is much more dire than most people are letting on. This is unfalsifiable, so not a great claim. You can continue to claim this forever without having to prove it. >All I know is I can't take my phone into the airport. I can't go out and protest without risking my life and freedom. I can't drive anywhere without my location being tracked and logged. And, if I get pulled over, I must comply with any order, no matter how unlawful, otherwise I risk being executed in the street. Wild, wild exaggerations, but you will point to your unfalsifiable claim to justify them. The VAST MAJORITY of people in the US who engage in the things that you claim that they cannot, do so, and with no consequence. I am no fan of this administration, but I am even less a fan of outright exaggeration (which is even one of the defining hallmarks of Mr. Trump)
hahahaa 3mo ago
And how is US doing on digitally totalitarian and hostile towards its own people? In practical terms you could get US and Chinese models to review each other, right. Depends what your use case is. Coding is kinda not so bad it is reviewable and immutable/traceable per commit. An AI app that is like a psychologist or something may be more worrying.
- AlexandrB 3mo ago
  > And how is US doing on digitally totalitarian and hostile towards its own people? Seemingly better than everywhere else in the world, including where I live (Canada). Whataboutism doesn't really work when you use the least bad option as an example.
  - FeloniousHam 3mo ago
    And whatever can be said about the US, at least with democracy you get a chance to fire the leadership every four years (or even sooner the closer you to the place you live!).
  - mynameisbilly 3mo ago
    Are you familiar with the flock camera situation in the States? The American surveillance state has rapidly been getting worse with the help of this technology.
  - hahahaa 3mo ago
    Whataboutism moniker doesn't apply when the context is "avoid Chinese models because China commits crimes against humanity" and context is also "Top sota models for useful work are created by, let's list them all: US and China". If the argument is don't use Chinese models because China is hostile then let's say "The USA.... Objection: Relevance? Overruled". US is less hostile in the day to day sense, but they could look at your cloud data at any time because say someone in your company protested and exercised their 1A right, and the government didn't like that, so that sort of thing tracks directly to secrecy and privacy guarantees I might want from models. I personally don't worry for my sloperating but if I ran a large company's AI I might consider it. Esp if in Europe.