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The UN isn’t a magical oracle of “Truth” - any more than an LLM is. It’s a political body, with easily provable biases, and topics you can’t trust it on.

inigyou 2mo ago
The UN is just someone easy to point to. The full fact is that everyone who's gone looking to see whether or not it's a genocide, including the UN, has discovered that it's a genocide. There's no ambiguity, yet the model is pretending there is.
- throw103882 2mo ago
  Anyone who goes looking to find a genocide will find it. Many people do not think it’s a genocide - including millions of Israelis who follow the events in great detail and often have first-hand accounts of what’s happening in Gaza. I don’t think it’s a genocide. The UN, for example, concluded that Israel is “Imposing measures intended to prevent births” because of one incident where a bomb fell on an IVF clinic in 2023 destroying 4000 embryos and 1000 sperm and egg samples. For context, there were approximately 50,000 live births registered in Gaza in 2025. By the UN standard applied to Israel, the 1 million abortions conducted in the US per year is an ongoing genocide. By the UN standards applied to Israel, jerking off is an act of genocide. I think that any large intelligent and balanced model would be able to see right through that.
  - inigyou 2mo ago
    I mean yeah, Germans didn't think they were doing a genocide either until decades after it happened. Obviously when I say "everyone" I'm excluding those who have a conflict of interest.
    - throw103882 2mo ago
      Let’s not pretend that there’s no conflict of interest on the other side of the debate. There are dozens of countries and billions of people with obvious biases against Israel, and they have significant sway within the UN and its commissions. It’s trivial to show that the UN is biased.
      - inigyou 2mo ago
        Pretend it's 1939. How do you differentiate a bias against Germany from genuine knowledge that the Holocaust is happening?
        throw103882 2mo ago
        By the standards applied to Israel, all sides were committing “genocide”s during WWII, and at any other major war past and future. War isn’t nice, and innocent people dying doesn’t make it a genocide. The term is being diluted to just mean “war with many casualties”. Equating Israel’s war with Gaza to the Holocaust is an attempt to simultaneously belittle the historic suffering of the Jews while exaggerating the evils of Israel. The two situations have nothing in common.
culi 2mo ago
The United Nations is biased when it found it was a genocide in August 2025: https://www.un.org/unispal/document/report-of-coi-14aug25/ https://www.un.org/unispal/document/report-of-coi-14aug25/ The ICJ was biased in January 2024 when it said Israel's actions are consistent with genocide: https://www.icj-cij.org/node/203447 https://www.icj-cij.org/node/203447 The ICC was biased when it issued arrest warrants for Netanyahu and Gallant, charging them as war criminals in November 2024: https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/11/1157286 https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/11/1157286 The United Nations remained biased June of 2026 when it said Israel was continuing to commit genocide by targeting children: https://news.un.org/en/story/2026/06/1167790 https://news.un.org/en/story/2026/06/1167790 The world's leading organization of genocide scholars, the IAGS, was biased in August 2025 when it also resolved that Israel is committing genocide: https://genocidescholars.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/IAGS-Resolution-on-Gaza-FINAL.pdf https://genocidescholars.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/IAGS... Amnesty International's investigation that concluded genocide in December of 2024 was also full of bias: https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/12/amnesty-international-concludes-israel-is-committing-genocide-against-palestinians-in-gaza/ https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/12/amnesty-inter... The UNHR and its collaborators (human rights law clinics at Yale Law School, Cornell Law School, Boston University, and the University of Pretoria) must've been biased in May 2024 when they released a rigorous legal analysis and concluded that Israel's actions violate the 1948 Genocide Convention https://www.humanrightsnetwork.org/projects/genocide-in-gaza https://www.humanrightsnetwork.org/projects/genocide-in-gaza --- Every single one of those were biased except for you and your LLM :)
- throw64259 2mo ago
  Every Western LLM will happily list you these sources, (which is likely how you got it), and would also happily discuss with you - if you’re interested - the reasons some of them may be unreliable and why your accompanying text is sometimes misleading or misrepresenting what the links actually say.
  - culi 2mo ago
    No I got this list by paying attention. It would do you well to stop assuming everyone is as handicapped by LLM-dependency as you are. Every single one of these reports was a major news story. It boggles my mind how uninformed people can be and still readily jump into a debate online Okay please. Tell me how I misrepresented the links. I would love for you to actually do the work of reading them. Something you should've done for the past few years as they were coming out. Better late than never

inigyou 2mo ago

The UN is just someone easy to point to. The full fact is that everyone who's gone looking to see whether or not it's a genocide, including the UN, has discovered that it's a genocide. There's no ambiguity, yet the model is pretending there is.

throw103882 2mo ago
Anyone who goes looking to find a genocide will find it. Many people do not think it’s a genocide - including millions of Israelis who follow the events in great detail and often have first-hand accounts of what’s happening in Gaza. I don’t think it’s a genocide. The UN, for example, concluded that Israel is “Imposing measures intended to prevent births” because of one incident where a bomb fell on an IVF clinic in 2023 destroying 4000 embryos and 1000 sperm and egg samples. For context, there were approximately 50,000 live births registered in Gaza in 2025. By the UN standard applied to Israel, the 1 million abortions conducted in the US per year is an ongoing genocide. By the UN standards applied to Israel, jerking off is an act of genocide. I think that any large intelligent and balanced model would be able to see right through that.
- inigyou 2mo ago
  I mean yeah, Germans didn't think they were doing a genocide either until decades after it happened. Obviously when I say "everyone" I'm excluding those who have a conflict of interest.
  - throw103882 2mo ago
    Let’s not pretend that there’s no conflict of interest on the other side of the debate. There are dozens of countries and billions of people with obvious biases against Israel, and they have significant sway within the UN and its commissions. It’s trivial to show that the UN is biased.
    - inigyou 2mo ago
      Pretend it's 1939. How do you differentiate a bias against Germany from genuine knowledge that the Holocaust is happening?
      - throw103882 2mo ago
        By the standards applied to Israel, all sides were committing “genocide”s during WWII, and at any other major war past and future. War isn’t nice, and innocent people dying doesn’t make it a genocide. The term is being diluted to just mean “war with many casualties”. Equating Israel’s war with Gaza to the Holocaust is an attempt to simultaneously belittle the historic suffering of the Jews while exaggerating the evils of Israel. The two situations have nothing in common.

culi 2mo ago

The United Nations is biased when it found it was a genocide in August 2025: https://www.un.org/unispal/document/report-of-coi-14aug25/ https://www.un.org/unispal/document/report-of-coi-14aug25/ The ICJ was biased in January 2024 when it said Israel's actions are consistent with genocide: https://www.icj-cij.org/node/203447 https://www.icj-cij.org/node/203447 The ICC was biased when it issued arrest warrants for Netanyahu and Gallant, charging them as war criminals in November 2024: https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/11/1157286 https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/11/1157286 The United Nations remained biased June of 2026 when it said Israel was continuing to commit genocide by targeting children: https://news.un.org/en/story/2026/06/1167790 https://news.un.org/en/story/2026/06/1167790 The world's leading organization of genocide scholars, the IAGS, was biased in August 2025 when it also resolved that Israel is committing genocide: https://genocidescholars.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/IAGS-Resolution-on-Gaza-FINAL.pdf https://genocidescholars.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/IAGS... Amnesty International's investigation that concluded genocide in December of 2024 was also full of bias: https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/12/amnesty-international-concludes-israel-is-committing-genocide-against-palestinians-in-gaza/ https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/12/amnesty-inter... The UNHR and its collaborators (human rights law clinics at Yale Law School, Cornell Law School, Boston University, and the University of Pretoria) must've been biased in May 2024 when they released a rigorous legal analysis and concluded that Israel's actions violate the 1948 Genocide Convention https://www.humanrightsnetwork.org/projects/genocide-in-gaza https://www.humanrightsnetwork.org/projects/genocide-in-gaza --- Every single one of those were biased except for you and your LLM :)

throw64259 2mo ago
Every Western LLM will happily list you these sources, (which is likely how you got it), and would also happily discuss with you - if you’re interested - the reasons some of them may be unreliable and why your accompanying text is sometimes misleading or misrepresenting what the links actually say.
- culi 2mo ago
  No I got this list by paying attention. It would do you well to stop assuming everyone is as handicapped by LLM-dependency as you are. Every single one of these reports was a major news story. It boggles my mind how uninformed people can be and still readily jump into a debate online Okay please. Tell me how I misrepresented the links. I would love for you to actually do the work of reading them. Something you should've done for the past few years as they were coming out. Better late than never