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Supporting Israel’s “start-up nation”

29 points by cleverjake 14y ago

k0nsl 14y ago
HN should have a "down vote" available. Perhaps it does, but I couldn't find it.
- Petrushka 14y ago
  Is that a comment on the article or on Israel? Because this is a site fundamentally about start-ups, especially incubators, and so news about them is relevant. If you think the post shouldn't have been put-up because its not all that interesting or news-worthy, that's fine, although I do happen to disagree with you. If that vague post is regarding Israel (which again, this being a site about start-up culture makes me think it likely was) then you are contributing absolutely nothing by posting that, regardless of your feelings towards that situation.
- eitland 14y ago
  I think there is but you need to have a certain score to access it. Be thankful, otherwise you'd violated the guidelines based on your political bias without even knowing :-)
mikle 14y ago
This is pretty exciting for the Israeli scene. That space was long awaited and the (pre-)accelerator too. I'm looking forward to hosting events there (I'm one of the organizers of GDG Tel-Aviv). Spaces and accelerators like this, or Microsoft's in Herzelia (Starting it's second group soon) make it one of the best times to be an entrepreneur in Israel.
- alwaysright 14y ago
  Ignore all the antisemitic and racist comments here, 90% of them belong to the same user, who also seems to supports the Syrian regime and claims it's not Asad bombing his own citizens but the CIA, and the other is probably from Norway if he uses the same user in twitter, linked-in etc, which will be surprising if he didn't say something completely ignorant of facts and nasty about Israel, all Jews there died in the Holocaust so there is no one left to defend the growing internal antisemitic propaganda promoted by the growing pro Palestinian immigrants. Funny thing is that I really am for a Palestinian state and think that the settlements should stop, but I don't go and blabber all about it in HN in a low and disgraceful language.
josteink 14y ago
Why would anyone here support a fundamentally racist, oppressive de-facto apartheid occupying state which is about to commit genocide? Especially considering the above average intelligence i presume people here to have. Israel needs to be boycotted, globally. Not supported. Not in any way. Not in the slightest.
- Petrushka 14y ago
  From the guidelines: Please avoid introducing classic flamewar topics unless you have something genuinely new to say about them.
  - josteink 14y ago
    I'm questioning the ethics of having this on HN at all. I think that is absolutely within reason.
    - alwaysright 14y ago
      Same question I have, but on your comment, not on the topic.
  - CleanStar 14y ago
    Sorry, this is not yet Gaza where you can just drop a bomb on someone you dislike. If Israel is a start-up nation, I guess from the Zionist point of view, the newly UN recognized nation of Palestine is a nation to "shut down". Like with Netanyahu's recent shutting off of east Palestine. For daring to show that only nine countries oppose the existence of the Palestinian state - the USA, Israel, and Canada - as well as some US territories in the Pacific with UN votes (Marshall Islands, Palau). Considering how this posted topic has immediately turned into a flamewar, it is obvious that the "introduction of classic flamewar topics" was done by the original submitter. You start the fire, then point a whiny finger at those who come around - how typical of a Zionist.
    - alwaysright 14y ago
accountswu 14y ago
This is ridiculous pink washing of war crimes, apartheid, murder and terror perpetrated by a colonial settler state which is the last such project in which the natives are still not allowed to return to their homes from which European settlers kicked them out in 1948. The population of Palestine was only 3% Jewish in 1905, and the UN plan gave them 55% of land in 1947 (Jewish population still 33% of total population) but the Zionist murderers wanted more. The terrorists massacred hundreds of natives in massacres like Deir Yaseen and drove out 80% of the native population and occupied 78% of the land which is called "Israel" since 1948. The natives have the right to return but he murderers won't let them return even though Australian, Russian, American Jews have the right to "return" even without any link to this land, its culture, or its language in the past 1000+ years. Let's promote the start up culture of these settlers who continue to occupy the remaining 22% land since 1967 and built Jewish-only settlements on the land stolen every day. Let's kick out the natives, kill them in the concentration camp (Gaza) and build a new startup on their land!
- new_test 14y ago
  How is this the top comment?
  - josteink 14y ago
    It's factual?
    - alwaysright 14y ago
      No it's not.
  - mikle 14y ago
    Because accountswu is spamming this thread and most of the top level comments are his. I wish there was a way to report him. Looking at his history he isn't exactly what I'd want a fellow HN contributor to be. Anyways it isn't the first comment for me, so hopefully it will sink even further soon.
ucee054 14y ago
I don't know what Google intends by support, but if it were me I certainly wouldn't invest in Israel. The amorality of it aside, Israel is also a huge intellectual property and espionage risk. Check out "Spy Trade" by Grant F Smith as an example reference (links below). http://vimeo.com/31298789 http://vimeo.com/31298789 http://www.amazon.com/Spy-Trade-Israels-Undermines-Americas/dp/0976443716 http://www.amazon.com/Spy-Trade-Israels-Undermines-Americas/...
- mikle 14y ago
  I still haven't seen your links but I think you are somewhat misinformed by seeing only one side of the issue. Israel (specifically Tel Aviv) is the biggest startup ecosystem outside of Silicon Valley. Do you really think that it got there by being un-investable or espionage risk? And on the flip side, do you not think that the US is even a bigger espionage risk as it has probably the largest Sigint operation (the NSA) in the world? Edit: After seeing it is a one hour lecture I instead spent 5 minutes googleing the uploader - IRmep. IRmep is not a fair and balanced organization. It is obviously anti-Israel with its statements on twitter (https://twitter.com/IRmep https://twitter.com/IRmep).
  - ucee054 14y ago
    So instead of looking at the evidence you smear the author instead. Congratulations! You've just discovered the ad-hominem fallacy. Details available from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies
flyinRyan 14y ago
Someone may as well close this thread. People can't resist bringing politics into this startup discussion because it happens to involve Isreal.
- mikle 14y ago
  I am very worried that a community I like has this reaction to my country. All of the top level comments except yours and mine are negative towards Israel and totally off topic from the article. I definitely support closing this thread.
accountswu 14y ago
I see the Hasbara police is here too (US-taxpayer funded Israeli government-paid propagandists who troll the internet to explain why they kill women and children and why they don't give equal rights to Palestinians and why they continue to occupy the 22% of the remaining land of original Palestine). What is a good place for this new startup? Maybe Al-Arakib which is a Palestinian Bedouin village where peopel have been living for hundreds of years and have deeds from Ottoman era but the settler startup nation keeps demolishing their homes? http://mondoweiss.net/2012/06/al-araqib-demolished-for-the-39th-time.html http://mondoweiss.net/2012/06/al-araqib-demolished-for-the-3... http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/israeli-students-get-2000-spread-state-propaganda-facebook http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/israeli-stu...
- mulya 14y ago
  I would try to take you seriously and prove all you said above is factually wrong if you wouldn't have made this comment on another topic: > "many of the stories trumpeted by Western and Saudi-backed media highlighting Syrian regime's brutality have turned out to be fake (or worse, some massacres blamed on regime were actually carried out by CIA-sponsored armed Syrian "rebels"). " So you are supporting the Syrian regime, and think it's all done by the CIA and not Asad's people, or did I read it wrong? see http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4318514 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4318514 I admire the effort you put in trying to convince others with your point, but calling Israel a murderous regime and in the same time protecting Syria and saying it's all done by the CIA is not helping you make people agree with you. If you are not being paid by someone to write this, than I don't really think you are going to make any difference in the world, the best you are doing is making sure any US company, Israeli company, or company with Jewish people in the world will not hire you as a programmer / whatever it is that you do, and if you are not a programmer or anything hacker related, than what are you doing in Hacker news besides starting flame wars? You are no better than the "Hasbara" you call, count the number of comments you have made in a thread that was long ago removed from HN (just because of users like you who started a flame war in it). Please go and do something productive, build something, share your code, what have you done lately that helped humanity?

29 points by cleverjake 14y ago

k0nsl 14y ago

HN should have a "down vote" available. Perhaps it does, but I couldn't find it.

Petrushka 14y ago
Is that a comment on the article or on Israel? Because this is a site fundamentally about start-ups, especially incubators, and so news about them is relevant. If you think the post shouldn't have been put-up because its not all that interesting or news-worthy, that's fine, although I do happen to disagree with you. If that vague post is regarding Israel (which again, this being a site about start-up culture makes me think it likely was) then you are contributing absolutely nothing by posting that, regardless of your feelings towards that situation.
eitland 14y ago
I think there is but you need to have a certain score to access it. Be thankful, otherwise you'd violated the guidelines based on your political bias without even knowing :-)

mikle 14y ago

This is pretty exciting for the Israeli scene. That space was long awaited and the (pre-)accelerator too. I'm looking forward to hosting events there (I'm one of the organizers of GDG Tel-Aviv). Spaces and accelerators like this, or Microsoft's in Herzelia (Starting it's second group soon) make it one of the best times to be an entrepreneur in Israel.

alwaysright 14y ago
Ignore all the antisemitic and racist comments here, 90% of them belong to the same user, who also seems to supports the Syrian regime and claims it's not Asad bombing his own citizens but the CIA, and the other is probably from Norway if he uses the same user in twitter, linked-in etc, which will be surprising if he didn't say something completely ignorant of facts and nasty about Israel, all Jews there died in the Holocaust so there is no one left to defend the growing internal antisemitic propaganda promoted by the growing pro Palestinian immigrants. Funny thing is that I really am for a Palestinian state and think that the settlements should stop, but I don't go and blabber all about it in HN in a low and disgraceful language.

josteink 14y ago

Why would anyone here support a fundamentally racist, oppressive de-facto apartheid occupying state which is about to commit genocide? Especially considering the above average intelligence i presume people here to have. Israel needs to be boycotted, globally. Not supported. Not in any way. Not in the slightest.

Petrushka 14y ago
From the guidelines: Please avoid introducing classic flamewar topics unless you have something genuinely new to say about them.
- josteink 14y ago
  I'm questioning the ethics of having this on HN at all. I think that is absolutely within reason.
  - alwaysright 14y ago
    Same question I have, but on your comment, not on the topic.
- CleanStar 14y ago
  Sorry, this is not yet Gaza where you can just drop a bomb on someone you dislike. If Israel is a start-up nation, I guess from the Zionist point of view, the newly UN recognized nation of Palestine is a nation to "shut down". Like with Netanyahu's recent shutting off of east Palestine. For daring to show that only nine countries oppose the existence of the Palestinian state - the USA, Israel, and Canada - as well as some US territories in the Pacific with UN votes (Marshall Islands, Palau). Considering how this posted topic has immediately turned into a flamewar, it is obvious that the "introduction of classic flamewar topics" was done by the original submitter. You start the fire, then point a whiny finger at those who come around - how typical of a Zionist.
  - alwaysright 14y ago

accountswu 14y ago

This is ridiculous pink washing of war crimes, apartheid, murder and terror perpetrated by a colonial settler state which is the last such project in which the natives are still not allowed to return to their homes from which European settlers kicked them out in 1948. The population of Palestine was only 3% Jewish in 1905, and the UN plan gave them 55% of land in 1947 (Jewish population still 33% of total population) but the Zionist murderers wanted more. The terrorists massacred hundreds of natives in massacres like Deir Yaseen and drove out 80% of the native population and occupied 78% of the land which is called "Israel" since 1948. The natives have the right to return but he murderers won't let them return even though Australian, Russian, American Jews have the right to "return" even without any link to this land, its culture, or its language in the past 1000+ years. Let's promote the start up culture of these settlers who continue to occupy the remaining 22% land since 1967 and built Jewish-only settlements on the land stolen every day. Let's kick out the natives, kill them in the concentration camp (Gaza) and build a new startup on their land!

new_test 14y ago
How is this the top comment?
- josteink 14y ago
  It's factual?
  - alwaysright 14y ago
    No it's not.
- mikle 14y ago
  Because accountswu is spamming this thread and most of the top level comments are his. I wish there was a way to report him. Looking at his history he isn't exactly what I'd want a fellow HN contributor to be. Anyways it isn't the first comment for me, so hopefully it will sink even further soon.

ucee054 14y ago

I don't know what Google intends by support, but if it were me I certainly wouldn't invest in Israel. The amorality of it aside, Israel is also a huge intellectual property and espionage risk. Check out "Spy Trade" by Grant F Smith as an example reference (links below). http://vimeo.com/31298789 http://vimeo.com/31298789 http://www.amazon.com/Spy-Trade-Israels-Undermines-Americas/dp/0976443716 http://www.amazon.com/Spy-Trade-Israels-Undermines-Americas/...

mikle 14y ago
I still haven't seen your links but I think you are somewhat misinformed by seeing only one side of the issue. Israel (specifically Tel Aviv) is the biggest startup ecosystem outside of Silicon Valley. Do you really think that it got there by being un-investable or espionage risk? And on the flip side, do you not think that the US is even a bigger espionage risk as it has probably the largest Sigint operation (the NSA) in the world? Edit: After seeing it is a one hour lecture I instead spent 5 minutes googleing the uploader - IRmep. IRmep is not a fair and balanced organization. It is obviously anti-Israel with its statements on twitter (https://twitter.com/IRmep https://twitter.com/IRmep).
- ucee054 14y ago
  So instead of looking at the evidence you smear the author instead. Congratulations! You've just discovered the ad-hominem fallacy. Details available from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies

flyinRyan 14y ago

Someone may as well close this thread. People can't resist bringing politics into this startup discussion because it happens to involve Isreal.

mikle 14y ago
I am very worried that a community I like has this reaction to my country. All of the top level comments except yours and mine are negative towards Israel and totally off topic from the article. I definitely support closing this thread.

accountswu 14y ago

I see the Hasbara police is here too (US-taxpayer funded Israeli government-paid propagandists who troll the internet to explain why they kill women and children and why they don't give equal rights to Palestinians and why they continue to occupy the 22% of the remaining land of original Palestine). What is a good place for this new startup? Maybe Al-Arakib which is a Palestinian Bedouin village where peopel have been living for hundreds of years and have deeds from Ottoman era but the settler startup nation keeps demolishing their homes? http://mondoweiss.net/2012/06/al-araqib-demolished-for-the-39th-time.html http://mondoweiss.net/2012/06/al-araqib-demolished-for-the-3... http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/israeli-students-get-2000-spread-state-propaganda-facebook http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/israeli-stu...

mulya 14y ago
I would try to take you seriously and prove all you said above is factually wrong if you wouldn't have made this comment on another topic: > "many of the stories trumpeted by Western and Saudi-backed media highlighting Syrian regime's brutality have turned out to be fake (or worse, some massacres blamed on regime were actually carried out by CIA-sponsored armed Syrian "rebels"). " So you are supporting the Syrian regime, and think it's all done by the CIA and not Asad's people, or did I read it wrong? see http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4318514 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4318514 I admire the effort you put in trying to convince others with your point, but calling Israel a murderous regime and in the same time protecting Syria and saying it's all done by the CIA is not helping you make people agree with you. If you are not being paid by someone to write this, than I don't really think you are going to make any difference in the world, the best you are doing is making sure any US company, Israeli company, or company with Jewish people in the world will not hire you as a programmer / whatever it is that you do, and if you are not a programmer or anything hacker related, than what are you doing in Hacker news besides starting flame wars? You are no better than the "Hasbara" you call, count the number of comments you have made in a thread that was long ago removed from HN (just because of users like you who started a flame war in it). Please go and do something productive, build something, share your code, what have you done lately that helped humanity?