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Awareness is what is missing now in order to do anything substantial.

mdp2021 3mo ago
> what is missing now Unfortunately what is missing (in the large part of the population) is the perception of Dignity, and the unawareness of the consciousness of their action (people are accepting and feeding the machine). It is not just the awareness of the historic context that is missing: it is the awareness that what was built is bad, and that that they are partially to blame in every act of acceptance and omission in stating the "red lines".
- aa-jv 3mo ago
  A better awareness of human rights would go a long way to solving the conditions which make surveillance capitalism profitable. Folks only accept these heinous abrogations of their human rights because they don't understand human rights.
  - crawfordcomeaux 3mo ago
    "Human rights" is a binary abstraction over nonbinary human needs (needs aren't binary because sometimes you need some amount of water and sometimes you don't need any...but you may be fully hydrated while needing to clean a wound; that's just one example). Being stuck in binary thinking means being stuck in a mental model that can never accurately portray the world, despite rampant evidence the model doesn't work. Being stuck in a system founded on binary thinking is being stuck in a system of stupidity. We focus on "human rights" because we've been propagandized into myths while never taking full responsibility for our own selves in it. This is why humanity lives in a mythocracy, as Sun Ra called it. We are currently collectively governed by myths of money, debt, ownership, life, death, rights, wrongs, Earth, patriarchy, egos, liberty, and more. Until humans start collectively learning to craft/choose/embody myths for centering the conditions that sustain life and relating to all things as kin, we'll continue in the current direction.
    - aa-jv 3mo ago
      I care not one iota for the opinion of someone who degrades human rights, which are universal and apply to you - and me - equally, whether you agree or not.
      - crawfordcomeaux 3mo ago
        It's interesting to care so little about human needs and rights you won't critically think about either in this context. Rights matter because they're a concept that people enforce with violence, such as refusing to critically engage in things marginalized people say are issues, like how rights are really just privileges given to us by governments.
        aa-jv 3mo ago
        No, rights matter because they are universally agreed upon by all nations who are signatories to the UDHR and they specifically do not depend on government. I'm not surprised this point isn't obvious to you, given your position that "violence is necessary".
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BiteCode_dev 3mo ago
No, it's incentive. Always has been. Always will be. Awareness may (or may not) help with incentive, but by itself it does jack all, as any nerds that have been actively showing their relatives how they are tracked will tell you. Snowden's revelations did diddlely jack for the common person, nor wikileak's. Knowing smoking is bad never prevented smokers to smoke, knowing exercice is good is not enough to make somebody do it. You need more: social pressure, conformism, dopamine, lower friction, etc. Safety belt didn't become common because the average person were aware of the benefits. People screamed about it, complained, refused to use them. It's the push from insurances to get them into law that turned into car manufacturer making it a feature, cops giving away fines, and social contracts pressuring you into using them that made them ubiquitous. The myth that awareness is what is missing is one of the reasons so many topic never move because it's talking on the internet about it is easier than doing something about it. So people choose awareness as the virtue signaling easy way out of their guilt.
inigyou 3mo ago
There is also courage. You know if you are caught angle-grinding a Flock pole, your life ends there.
- mad_tortoise 3mo ago
  Your life doesn't end. Your perception of your life along this current trajectory and within this current system could end, but it could start you on another much more powerful path. I don't just mean this in relation to flock camera's but rather direct action.
  - inigyou 3mo ago
    I'm talking about the most likely outcome which is that the judicial system takes away all of your remaining freedom.
    - mad_tortoise 3mo ago
      That's if you get caught. YOU won't get caught because you're smarter than that and you know what a plan is.
      - inigyou 3mo ago
        That's what everyone thinks when they get caught. What are you gonna do about the ubiquitous surveillance? The very same cameras would track you from your house all the way to the one you cut down, even if you changed clothes.

mdp2021 3mo ago

> what is missing now Unfortunately what is missing (in the large part of the population) is the perception of Dignity, and the unawareness of the consciousness of their action (people are accepting and feeding the machine). It is not just the awareness of the historic context that is missing: it is the awareness that what was built is bad, and that that they are partially to blame in every act of acceptance and omission in stating the "red lines".

aa-jv 3mo ago
A better awareness of human rights would go a long way to solving the conditions which make surveillance capitalism profitable. Folks only accept these heinous abrogations of their human rights because they don't understand human rights.
- crawfordcomeaux 3mo ago
  "Human rights" is a binary abstraction over nonbinary human needs (needs aren't binary because sometimes you need some amount of water and sometimes you don't need any...but you may be fully hydrated while needing to clean a wound; that's just one example). Being stuck in binary thinking means being stuck in a mental model that can never accurately portray the world, despite rampant evidence the model doesn't work. Being stuck in a system founded on binary thinking is being stuck in a system of stupidity. We focus on "human rights" because we've been propagandized into myths while never taking full responsibility for our own selves in it. This is why humanity lives in a mythocracy, as Sun Ra called it. We are currently collectively governed by myths of money, debt, ownership, life, death, rights, wrongs, Earth, patriarchy, egos, liberty, and more. Until humans start collectively learning to craft/choose/embody myths for centering the conditions that sustain life and relating to all things as kin, we'll continue in the current direction.
  - aa-jv 3mo ago
    I care not one iota for the opinion of someone who degrades human rights, which are universal and apply to you - and me - equally, whether you agree or not.
    - crawfordcomeaux 3mo ago
      It's interesting to care so little about human needs and rights you won't critically think about either in this context. Rights matter because they're a concept that people enforce with violence, such as refusing to critically engage in things marginalized people say are issues, like how rights are really just privileges given to us by governments.
      - aa-jv 3mo ago
        No, rights matter because they are universally agreed upon by all nations who are signatories to the UDHR and they specifically do not depend on government. I'm not surprised this point isn't obvious to you, given your position that "violence is necessary".
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BiteCode_dev 3mo ago

No, it's incentive. Always has been. Always will be. Awareness may (or may not) help with incentive, but by itself it does jack all, as any nerds that have been actively showing their relatives how they are tracked will tell you. Snowden's revelations did diddlely jack for the common person, nor wikileak's. Knowing smoking is bad never prevented smokers to smoke, knowing exercice is good is not enough to make somebody do it. You need more: social pressure, conformism, dopamine, lower friction, etc. Safety belt didn't become common because the average person were aware of the benefits. People screamed about it, complained, refused to use them. It's the push from insurances to get them into law that turned into car manufacturer making it a feature, cops giving away fines, and social contracts pressuring you into using them that made them ubiquitous. The myth that awareness is what is missing is one of the reasons so many topic never move because it's talking on the internet about it is easier than doing something about it. So people choose awareness as the virtue signaling easy way out of their guilt.

inigyou 3mo ago

There is also courage. You know if you are caught angle-grinding a Flock pole, your life ends there.

mad_tortoise 3mo ago
Your life doesn't end. Your perception of your life along this current trajectory and within this current system could end, but it could start you on another much more powerful path. I don't just mean this in relation to flock camera's but rather direct action.
- inigyou 3mo ago
  I'm talking about the most likely outcome which is that the judicial system takes away all of your remaining freedom.
  - mad_tortoise 3mo ago
    That's if you get caught. YOU won't get caught because you're smarter than that and you know what a plan is.
    - inigyou 3mo ago
      That's what everyone thinks when they get caught. What are you gonna do about the ubiquitous surveillance? The very same cameras would track you from your house all the way to the one you cut down, even if you changed clothes.