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How come we allowed all these cronies to put camera and do surveillance. Any politician advocating this should have cameras in their home for safety reason.

iioiio 3mo ago
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- mplewis 3mo ago
  imagine a world where cops did their jobs
  - moate 3mo ago
    I can, we're living in it. Now imagine a world in which cops served the masses.
- delecti 3mo ago
  The UK is also notoriously surveilled and their crime rate is right on-par with the US.
  - venzaspa 3mo ago
    What type of crime though, the US has substantially higher rates of violent crimes and those are the ones personally I would rather not be the victim of.
- deleted 3mo ago
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- Sharlin 3mo ago
  Holy cum hoc ergo propter hoc, Batman!
- pclowes 3mo ago
  Safer for who? Definitely not anyone critical of the Chinese dictator or regime. Definitely not the Uygher population. Free society is more important than marginally safer streets.
therein 3mo ago
Because clearly we are powerless. Someone should post that chart of how likely a law is to be passed vs. how much the people want it or not. It is basically a flat line. People's will have zero impact.
- thaumaturgy 3mo ago
  Every time someone repeats this, they are telling a self-fulfilling story. I got a law passed -- a state law, about ALPRs, establishing a list of restrictions on them. I didn't do it alone, I had a lot of really important help, including from ACLU of Oregon. There was a lot of opposition, and it ate months of my life, but it was worth it. I never would have accomplished that if I spent more time reading comments on the internet about all the things we are powerless to do.
- chneu 3mo ago
  If I was an abuser who wanted my victims to feel like they couldn't do anything, I'd try to convince them of some version what you just said. Congrats! You decided to give up. You're now advocating against your best interests and the best interests of everyone you love. Way to go, slugger!
  - moate 3mo ago
    Seriously. I'm as left wing as you can go and I still think that voting is useful to influence the system while building a critical mass of people willing to break the wheel. Saying "we'll never get class solidarity" is the most annoying and pointless thing someone can say so you have to assume they're working to ensure it is the case.
smegger001 3mo ago
>How come we allowed all these cronies to put camera and do surveillance. Because city counsel meetings are scheduled at awkward times for anyone employed to actually show up to. So only tech unaware old people show up
PunchyHamster 3mo ago
Coz we don't punish bad politicans enough

iioiio 3mo ago

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mplewis 3mo ago
imagine a world where cops did their jobs
- moate 3mo ago
  I can, we're living in it. Now imagine a world in which cops served the masses.
delecti 3mo ago
The UK is also notoriously surveilled and their crime rate is right on-par with the US.
- venzaspa 3mo ago
  What type of crime though, the US has substantially higher rates of violent crimes and those are the ones personally I would rather not be the victim of.
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Sharlin 3mo ago
Holy cum hoc ergo propter hoc, Batman!
pclowes 3mo ago
Safer for who? Definitely not anyone critical of the Chinese dictator or regime. Definitely not the Uygher population. Free society is more important than marginally safer streets.

therein 3mo ago

Because clearly we are powerless. Someone should post that chart of how likely a law is to be passed vs. how much the people want it or not. It is basically a flat line. People's will have zero impact.

thaumaturgy 3mo ago
Every time someone repeats this, they are telling a self-fulfilling story. I got a law passed -- a state law, about ALPRs, establishing a list of restrictions on them. I didn't do it alone, I had a lot of really important help, including from ACLU of Oregon. There was a lot of opposition, and it ate months of my life, but it was worth it. I never would have accomplished that if I spent more time reading comments on the internet about all the things we are powerless to do.
chneu 3mo ago
If I was an abuser who wanted my victims to feel like they couldn't do anything, I'd try to convince them of some version what you just said. Congrats! You decided to give up. You're now advocating against your best interests and the best interests of everyone you love. Way to go, slugger!
- moate 3mo ago
  Seriously. I'm as left wing as you can go and I still think that voting is useful to influence the system while building a critical mass of people willing to break the wheel. Saying "we'll never get class solidarity" is the most annoying and pointless thing someone can say so you have to assume they're working to ensure it is the case.

smegger001 3mo ago

>How come we allowed all these cronies to put camera and do surveillance. Because city counsel meetings are scheduled at awkward times for anyone employed to actually show up to. So only tech unaware old people show up

PunchyHamster 3mo ago

Coz we don't punish bad politicans enough