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Forbidding distillation is like forbidding using a compiler to make another(perhaps better, more efficient) compiler.

by grim_io 3mo ago

chuckadams 3mo ago
Lots of software licenses have “non-compete” clauses that forbid you from using it to develop a competing product. Wouldn’t surprise me if there was a compiler or two out there with that restriction, most likely niche languages.
- scotty79 3mo ago
  How the hell is non-compete legal in market economy? Competition is one of its core strengths. Why would anyone let anyone opt out of this, even a little bit?
  - thesmtsolver2 3mo ago
    No country in the world is full free market economy. It is always a spectrum. We are discussing Chinese models. Now look at how much foreign competition the Chinese government prevents in their domestic market in other industries.
    - scotty79 3mo ago
      Chinese companies compete ruthlessly between themselves though. That's how they get this good. Full competition with preventing exploitation by foreign countries seems to be working great for them. American and European protectionism of local rent-seekers can't really compete with that.
- matheusmoreira 3mo ago
  Those clauses should be illegal.
- not2b 3mo ago
  It's been common in electronic design automation tools to have license terms like that (forbidding use to create a competing product). However, competing companies have often found workarounds, either by finding loopholes or just breaking rules and hoping not to get caught.
- wolpoli 3mo ago
  If a person were to receive data from someone subjected to such restriction, is the receiver bounded by the same restriction?
- kiicia 3mo ago
  balmer told us that gpl is cancer, but true cancer is us model of licensing
- inigyou 3mo ago
  Oracle database has a clause forbidding anyone to publish benchmarks of it.
kiicia 3mo ago
let's call it for what it really is, only companies "entitled to legally stolen data, don't steal from us now" are crying about distilation

Forbidding distillation is like forbidding using a compiler to make another(perhaps better, more efficient) compiler.

by grim_io 3mo ago

Forbidding distillation is like forbidding using a compiler to make another(perhaps better, more efficient) compiler.

Lots of software licenses have “non-compete” clauses that forbid you from using it to develop a competing product. Wouldn’t surprise me if there was a compiler or two out there with that restriction, most likely niche languages.

scotty79 3mo ago
How the hell is non-compete legal in market economy? Competition is one of its core strengths. Why would anyone let anyone opt out of this, even a little bit?
- thesmtsolver2 3mo ago
  No country in the world is full free market economy. It is always a spectrum. We are discussing Chinese models. Now look at how much foreign competition the Chinese government prevents in their domestic market in other industries.
  - scotty79 3mo ago
    Chinese companies compete ruthlessly between themselves though. That's how they get this good. Full competition with preventing exploitation by foreign countries seems to be working great for them. American and European protectionism of local rent-seekers can't really compete with that.
matheusmoreira 3mo ago
Those clauses should be illegal.
not2b 3mo ago
It's been common in electronic design automation tools to have license terms like that (forbidding use to create a competing product). However, competing companies have often found workarounds, either by finding loopholes or just breaking rules and hoping not to get caught.
wolpoli 3mo ago
If a person were to receive data from someone subjected to such restriction, is the receiver bounded by the same restriction?
kiicia 3mo ago
balmer told us that gpl is cancer, but true cancer is us model of licensing
inigyou 3mo ago
Oracle database has a clause forbidding anyone to publish benchmarks of it.

kiicia 3mo ago

let's call it for what it really is, only companies "entitled to legally stolen data, don't steal from us now" are crying about distilation