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> duping is a great way to show people that even the app layer can be commoditized Everyone is already cloning the app layer. There are 30+ claude-code clone,

> duping is a great way to show people that even the app layer can be commoditized Everyone is already cloning the app layer. There are 30+ claude-code clone, and codex work already cloned cowork, grok and gemini is doing the same.

CookieCrisp 3mo ago
I highly recommend to anyone that uses them a lot - try to clone your own. I’ve got mine fully formed into how I want it, with features I haven’t seen anywhere else yet and with integration into everything I work with. We’ve lived in a world where every app had to fit enough people well enough - but now we live in a world where an app can be molded to be absolutely perfect for just you!
- theplumber 3mo ago
  This is the way. Guess what am I working right now? My own “Work” app that will be better than anything else available today!
  - rush86999 3mo ago
    Same here! https://github.com/rush86999/atom https://github.com/rush86999/atom
    - theplumber 3mo ago
      Looks like the thing I am building but of course mine will be slightly different. It would be great if we could all meet to show off and discuss our AI stuff.
- jascha_eng 3mo ago
  How did you build your own coding agent? What language/framework did you use?
  - crystal_revenge 3mo ago
    This comment is a great example of how large and strange the skills gap in AI is right now. Curious why your first impulse is not simply to point your favorite agent at a few examples and start brainstorming/planning from there? Multiple times I’ve built a purpose specific bespoke tool starting this way. In fact, it’s a great way to learn how specialized tools are built.
    - godwinson__4-8 3mo ago
      The problem of the sota models clamping down on third party harnesses should be stated upfront. Getting a SOTA model in a custom harness requires API pricing or risking an account ban, correct? This preliminary change in cost may not make it worth it for people depending on which is their "favorite agent". Especially as the default harnesses for said agents continue to improve...
      - nl 3mo ago
        > Getting a SOTA model in a custom harness requires API pricing or risking an account ban, correct? No, only Anthropic has that policy (and I think even that is relaxed for an unknown period if you use the Claude Agent SDK: https://support.claude.com/en/articles/15036540-use-the-claude-agent-sdk-with-your-claude-plan https://support.claude.com/en/articles/15036540-use-the-clau...). OpenAI, Kimi, Qwen, GLM and Deepseek all allow it. I'm not sure about Gemini.
      - embedding-shape 3mo ago
        > The problem of the sota models clamping down on third party harnesses should be stated upfront. Getting a SOTA model in a custom harness requires API pricing or risking an account ban, correct? The opposite, how easy it is nowadays should be clarified. Codex's app-server quite literally is built to be integrated with, authentication is a breeze and it's quite stable, compared to the TUIs that are around. It's a real shame Codex is moving in the direction of hiding stuff on local disks from users, hopefully they're revert the decision of encrypting the agent>sub-agent prompts so we get back introspection again...
- nujabe 3mo ago
  It would have been much easier to clone six months ago but today Codex/Claude desktop apps are so feature packed it seems it wouldn’t be worth it. For example, the mobile/remote control feature I find very useful but not sure it would be worth cloning. If you aren’t replicating every feature you aren’t exactly “cloning” it, you’ll just end up with a crappier version with a fraction of the features of the real thing.
- cdrini 3mo ago
  Out of curiosity, what are your favourite features that are unique to your implementation?
  - embedding-shape 3mo ago
    Not parent, but favorite feature of my own harness I haven't seen somewhere else, is the ability for the agent to execute code on different hosts in a transparent and easy way. Fairly simple and probably could prompt the agent + set things up with ssh, but was doing other stuff related to a server<>client model, so figured why not add it as a couple of tools. Now the agent can build cross-platform applications while I'm mostly on Linux and actually verify it works, without me manually switching between three OSes.
    - mosselman 3mo ago
      When I tell Claude or open code using Kimi or codex to fix something on my raspberry pi, they all go to ssh right away. I found that most things that are “features” in harnesses and tools that don’t relate to UI and UX in those harnesses themselves can be done through skills or just prompts. A nice features of Claude’s is the remote control through the mobile app. That isn’t just a skill.
- Gigachad 3mo ago
  Most people don’t want to play product manager and just want to pay someone to make the decisions for them. We used to have a time where every small business had its own custom accounting software, and discovered that these businesses aren’t actually special snowflakes and are better off just using the generic software and conforming to whatever it does
  - smallmancontrov 3mo ago
    They were better off because the discomfort of shoehorning was less than the discomfort of in-house software development. The latter has changed radically so the conclusion may no longer hold. SWEs would do well to have at least one side project to calibrate their intuition about the cost of delivering and maintaining a greenfield project so that they can spot the niches which have begun to appear even as others live on borrowed time.
  - dustinmr 3mo ago
    The accounting is very similar. The processes are not. Small businesses continue to be special snowflakes in terms of how they do their work. Both for good and bad reasons. I’m surprised an open source accounting package hasn’t popped up that handles the accounting well. The backend could largely be the same (or at least modular) while the front legitimately needs to vary based on what type of work, how sales are done, whether they hold inventory, local taxes, etc, etc.
    - Gigachad 3mo ago
      At least in my experience it’s usually for bad, and having to conform to standard software probably improves their process. Of course you have to pick one for the country and laws.
dominotw 3mo ago
But dont you have to be faithful to rl environment in which it model was trained in the harness? only labs knows what the rl enviroment was so they will always be one step ahead.

CookieCrisp 3mo ago

I highly recommend to anyone that uses them a lot - try to clone your own. I’ve got mine fully formed into how I want it, with features I haven’t seen anywhere else yet and with integration into everything I work with. We’ve lived in a world where every app had to fit enough people well enough - but now we live in a world where an app can be molded to be absolutely perfect for just you!

theplumber 3mo ago
This is the way. Guess what am I working right now? My own “Work” app that will be better than anything else available today!
- rush86999 3mo ago
  Same here! https://github.com/rush86999/atom https://github.com/rush86999/atom
  - theplumber 3mo ago
    Looks like the thing I am building but of course mine will be slightly different. It would be great if we could all meet to show off and discuss our AI stuff.
jascha_eng 3mo ago
How did you build your own coding agent? What language/framework did you use?
- crystal_revenge 3mo ago
  This comment is a great example of how large and strange the skills gap in AI is right now. Curious why your first impulse is not simply to point your favorite agent at a few examples and start brainstorming/planning from there? Multiple times I’ve built a purpose specific bespoke tool starting this way. In fact, it’s a great way to learn how specialized tools are built.
  - godwinson__4-8 3mo ago
    The problem of the sota models clamping down on third party harnesses should be stated upfront. Getting a SOTA model in a custom harness requires API pricing or risking an account ban, correct? This preliminary change in cost may not make it worth it for people depending on which is their "favorite agent". Especially as the default harnesses for said agents continue to improve...
    - nl 3mo ago
      > Getting a SOTA model in a custom harness requires API pricing or risking an account ban, correct? No, only Anthropic has that policy (and I think even that is relaxed for an unknown period if you use the Claude Agent SDK: https://support.claude.com/en/articles/15036540-use-the-claude-agent-sdk-with-your-claude-plan https://support.claude.com/en/articles/15036540-use-the-clau...). OpenAI, Kimi, Qwen, GLM and Deepseek all allow it. I'm not sure about Gemini.
    - embedding-shape 3mo ago
      > The problem of the sota models clamping down on third party harnesses should be stated upfront. Getting a SOTA model in a custom harness requires API pricing or risking an account ban, correct? The opposite, how easy it is nowadays should be clarified. Codex's app-server quite literally is built to be integrated with, authentication is a breeze and it's quite stable, compared to the TUIs that are around. It's a real shame Codex is moving in the direction of hiding stuff on local disks from users, hopefully they're revert the decision of encrypting the agent>sub-agent prompts so we get back introspection again...
nujabe 3mo ago
It would have been much easier to clone six months ago but today Codex/Claude desktop apps are so feature packed it seems it wouldn’t be worth it. For example, the mobile/remote control feature I find very useful but not sure it would be worth cloning. If you aren’t replicating every feature you aren’t exactly “cloning” it, you’ll just end up with a crappier version with a fraction of the features of the real thing.
cdrini 3mo ago
Out of curiosity, what are your favourite features that are unique to your implementation?
- embedding-shape 3mo ago
  Not parent, but favorite feature of my own harness I haven't seen somewhere else, is the ability for the agent to execute code on different hosts in a transparent and easy way. Fairly simple and probably could prompt the agent + set things up with ssh, but was doing other stuff related to a server<>client model, so figured why not add it as a couple of tools. Now the agent can build cross-platform applications while I'm mostly on Linux and actually verify it works, without me manually switching between three OSes.
  - mosselman 3mo ago
    When I tell Claude or open code using Kimi or codex to fix something on my raspberry pi, they all go to ssh right away. I found that most things that are “features” in harnesses and tools that don’t relate to UI and UX in those harnesses themselves can be done through skills or just prompts. A nice features of Claude’s is the remote control through the mobile app. That isn’t just a skill.
Gigachad 3mo ago
Most people don’t want to play product manager and just want to pay someone to make the decisions for them. We used to have a time where every small business had its own custom accounting software, and discovered that these businesses aren’t actually special snowflakes and are better off just using the generic software and conforming to whatever it does
- smallmancontrov 3mo ago
  They were better off because the discomfort of shoehorning was less than the discomfort of in-house software development. The latter has changed radically so the conclusion may no longer hold. SWEs would do well to have at least one side project to calibrate their intuition about the cost of delivering and maintaining a greenfield project so that they can spot the niches which have begun to appear even as others live on borrowed time.
- dustinmr 3mo ago
  The accounting is very similar. The processes are not. Small businesses continue to be special snowflakes in terms of how they do their work. Both for good and bad reasons. I’m surprised an open source accounting package hasn’t popped up that handles the accounting well. The backend could largely be the same (or at least modular) while the front legitimately needs to vary based on what type of work, how sales are done, whether they hold inventory, local taxes, etc, etc.
  - Gigachad 3mo ago
    At least in my experience it’s usually for bad, and having to conform to standard software probably improves their process. Of course you have to pick one for the country and laws.

dominotw 3mo ago

But dont you have to be faithful to rl environment in which it model was trained in the harness? only labs knows what the rl enviroment was so they will always be one step ahead.