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I was just about to make a similar comment. There isn't much about C++98 I don't know, but having ignored C++11 for too long I feel utterly lost looking at stuf

by udp 14y ago

I was just about to make a similar comment. There isn't much about C++98 I don't know, but having ignored C++11 for too long I feel utterly lost looking at stuff like this now. What concerns me even more is that it must be pretty much impossible for a beginner to pick up C++ today.

pjmlp 14y ago
Anyone can pick it up if they really care. They don't need to know the complete language on day 1.
- fceccon 14y ago
  As a beginner programmer (a.k.a. CS student) I was able to pickup the basic of the language in the last 2 months and work on a real world (not a school project, it's a library that other universities use) cuda c++ project. I read a book so I have an idea of what can and can't be done, but when I need to implement something unusual (ie function object) I need to lookup it in the book or ask for help to my mentor. I still need help to understand gcc errors, cuda uses an "old" version (3.4 I think) so we don't get the improvements of the new versions.
  - pjmlp 14y ago
    Yes, you always need to look things up. In the projects I take part on, with teams from 20 - 100 developers, you cannot know everything regardless of the language.
fafner 14y ago
> What concerns me even more is that it must be pretty much impossible for a beginner to pick up C++ today. There certainly are issues when learning C++. But I don't think it's impossible. A major concern is the fact that there was never a centralised website collecting good information and filtering out the crap. There never was a central Tutorial or Reference. All the knowledge is hidden in very expensive books and worst of all there are many publishers simply spitting out piles of bad C++ books. http://isocpp.org/ http://isocpp.org/ and http://en.cppreference.com/w/ http://en.cppreference.com/w/ are a huge improvement. Stroustrup's book is a great introduction: http://www.stroustrup.com/Programming/ http://www.stroustrup.com/Programming/ I wish he'd made it freely available. A lot of programming beginners aren't happy to pay $50-$70 for a book when they can go to other languages offering great beginner tutorials for free. And C++11 is pretty new. So of course there is a transition period with books, articles, references catching on.

by udp 14y ago

pjmlp 14y ago

Anyone can pick it up if they really care. They don't need to know the complete language on day 1.

fceccon 14y ago
As a beginner programmer (a.k.a. CS student) I was able to pickup the basic of the language in the last 2 months and work on a real world (not a school project, it's a library that other universities use) cuda c++ project. I read a book so I have an idea of what can and can't be done, but when I need to implement something unusual (ie function object) I need to lookup it in the book or ask for help to my mentor. I still need help to understand gcc errors, cuda uses an "old" version (3.4 I think) so we don't get the improvements of the new versions.
- pjmlp 14y ago
  Yes, you always need to look things up. In the projects I take part on, with teams from 20 - 100 developers, you cannot know everything regardless of the language.

fafner 14y ago

> What concerns me even more is that it must be pretty much impossible for a beginner to pick up C++ today. There certainly are issues when learning C++. But I don't think it's impossible. A major concern is the fact that there was never a centralised website collecting good information and filtering out the crap. There never was a central Tutorial or Reference. All the knowledge is hidden in very expensive books and worst of all there are many publishers simply spitting out piles of bad C++ books. http://isocpp.org/ http://isocpp.org/ and http://en.cppreference.com/w/ http://en.cppreference.com/w/ are a huge improvement. Stroustrup's book is a great introduction: http://www.stroustrup.com/Programming/ http://www.stroustrup.com/Programming/ I wish he'd made it freely available. A lot of programming beginners aren't happy to pay $50-$70 for a book when they can go to other languages offering great beginner tutorials for free. And C++11 is pretty new. So of course there is a transition period with books, articles, references catching on.