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No, selfish would be more like knowing it, being of reasonably sound mind, and doing it anyways. Being convinced of something by wonky brain chemistry isn't ne

No, selfish would be more like knowing it, being of reasonably sound mind, and doing it anyways. Being convinced of something by wonky brain chemistry isn't necessarily a personal failing.

LoganDark 3mo ago
I feel like ascribing it to "wonky brain chemistry" serves to erase agency. I read the article and there are very real and reoccurring reasons of incredible mistreatment for why this happened. It is not because he was simply unstable and decided to try suicide for no reason. He had such a reason that I am incredibly disappointed in the entire system that led to this.
- ceejayoz 3mo ago
  > I feel like ascribing it to "wonky brain chemistry" serves to erase agency. Wonky brain chemistry can erase agency. (As can an empty bank account from an insurance denial!)
  - LoganDark 3mo ago
    I mean, I don't agree with the assumption that he was simply irrational and chose this because he wasn't thinking straight. I would much rather believe that he had strong reasons for this and that there is something to be done about the circumstances that led to it. Suicide is more often than not a systemic failure and not simply an outlier to be ignored. If you read the article and see all the shit that he went through before he died it should be obvious that he's not the one at fault for breaking under that pressure. Not everyone has the strength to brave such bullshit.
    - ceejayoz 3mo ago
      > I mean, I don't agree with the assumption that he was simply irrational and chose this because he wasn't thinking straight. And I don't agree with the assertions that that's not a possibility.
      - LoganDark 3mo ago
        I don't consider it a possibility that state of mind would not have been a result of his mistreatment. You seem to recognize it can be brought about by situations, and I consider that reasoning enough. You don't have to perfectly calculate suicide as the only practical answer in order for your actions to be reasoned. Even primal reasoning can count.
        ceejayoz 3mo ago
        > I don't consider it a possibility that state of mind would not have been a result of his mistreatment. Why? There are very well treated people who still get suicidal.
- pstuart 3mo ago
  Sometimes brain chemistry obliterates agency.
VirusNewbie 3mo ago
My brain chemistry tells me i'm better than most people and deserve more. Is that...selfish?
- ceejayoz 3mo ago
  That depends significantly on how wonky it is. There's a big spectrum between "just knowingly a dick" and "deeply delusional".
- LoganDark 3mo ago
  Specifically, that would be arrogance and entitlement. Both are typically considered selfish. We don't know whether brain chemistry alone leads to this. The traits are complex enough that most likely it is a result of social conditioning rather than only genetics. Genetics may still play a role however, especially epigenetics.
- foco_tubi 3mo ago
  No, clinically that is known as a delusion.

No, selfish would be more like knowing it, being of reasonably sound mind, and doing it anyways. Being convinced of something by wonky brain chemistry isn't necessarily a personal failing.

LoganDark 3mo ago

I feel like ascribing it to "wonky brain chemistry" serves to erase agency. I read the article and there are very real and reoccurring reasons of incredible mistreatment for why this happened. It is not because he was simply unstable and decided to try suicide for no reason. He had such a reason that I am incredibly disappointed in the entire system that led to this.

ceejayoz 3mo ago
> I feel like ascribing it to "wonky brain chemistry" serves to erase agency. Wonky brain chemistry can erase agency. (As can an empty bank account from an insurance denial!)
- LoganDark 3mo ago
  I mean, I don't agree with the assumption that he was simply irrational and chose this because he wasn't thinking straight. I would much rather believe that he had strong reasons for this and that there is something to be done about the circumstances that led to it. Suicide is more often than not a systemic failure and not simply an outlier to be ignored. If you read the article and see all the shit that he went through before he died it should be obvious that he's not the one at fault for breaking under that pressure. Not everyone has the strength to brave such bullshit.
  - ceejayoz 3mo ago
    > I mean, I don't agree with the assumption that he was simply irrational and chose this because he wasn't thinking straight. And I don't agree with the assertions that that's not a possibility.
    - LoganDark 3mo ago
      I don't consider it a possibility that state of mind would not have been a result of his mistreatment. You seem to recognize it can be brought about by situations, and I consider that reasoning enough. You don't have to perfectly calculate suicide as the only practical answer in order for your actions to be reasoned. Even primal reasoning can count.
      - ceejayoz 3mo ago
        > I don't consider it a possibility that state of mind would not have been a result of his mistreatment. Why? There are very well treated people who still get suicidal.
pstuart 3mo ago
Sometimes brain chemistry obliterates agency.

VirusNewbie 3mo ago

My brain chemistry tells me i'm better than most people and deserve more. Is that...selfish?

ceejayoz 3mo ago
That depends significantly on how wonky it is. There's a big spectrum between "just knowingly a dick" and "deeply delusional".
LoganDark 3mo ago
Specifically, that would be arrogance and entitlement. Both are typically considered selfish. We don't know whether brain chemistry alone leads to this. The traits are complex enough that most likely it is a result of social conditioning rather than only genetics. Genetics may still play a role however, especially epigenetics.
foco_tubi 3mo ago
No, clinically that is known as a delusion.