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In all seriousness, people often commit suicide when they feel like nobody wants them around anyway. He may not have registered that his loss would be a negativ
by LoganDark 4mo ago
In all seriousness, people often commit suicide when they feel like nobody wants them around anyway. He may not have registered that his loss would be a negative to those around him, even those closest to him.
- VirusNewbie 4mo ago[flagged]
- ceejayoz 4mo agoNo, selfish would be more like knowing it, being of reasonably sound mind, and doing it anyways. Being convinced of something by wonky brain chemistry isn't necessarily a personal failing.
- LoganDark 4mo agoI feel like ascribing it to "wonky brain chemistry" serves to erase agency. I read the article and there are very real and reoccurring reasons of incredible mistreatment for why this happened. It is not because he was simply unstable and decided to try suicide for no reason. He had such a reason that I am incredibly disappointed in the entire system that led to this.
- ceejayoz 4mo ago> I feel like ascribing it to "wonky brain chemistry" serves to erase agency. Wonky brain chemistry can erase agency. (As can an empty bank account from an insurance denial!)
- LoganDark 4mo agoI mean, I don't agree with the assumption that he was simply irrational and chose this because he wasn't thinking straight. I would much rather believe that he had strong reasons for this and that there is something to be done about the circumstances that led to it. Suicide is more often than not a systemic failure and not simply an outlier to be ignored. If you read the article and see all the shit that he went through before he died it should be obvious that he's not the one at fault for breaking under that pressure. Not everyone has the strength to brave such bullshit.
- ceejayoz 4mo ago> I mean, I don't agree with the assumption that he was simply irrational and chose this because he wasn't thinking straight. And I don't agree with the assertions that that's not a possibility.
- LoganDark 4mo agoI don't consider it a possibility that state of mind would not have been a result of his mistreatment. You seem to recognize it can be brought about by situations, and I consider that reasoning enough. You don't have to perfectly calculate suicide as the only practical answer in order for your actions to be reasoned. Even primal reasoning can count.
- ceejayoz 4mo ago> I don't consider it a possibility that state of mind would not have been a result of his mistreatment. Why? There are very well treated people who still get suicidal.
- pstuart 4mo agoSometimes brain chemistry obliterates agency.
- VirusNewbie 4mo agoMy brain chemistry tells me i'm better than most people and deserve more. Is that...selfish?
- ceejayoz 4mo agoThat depends significantly on how wonky it is. There's a big spectrum between "just knowingly a dick" and "deeply delusional".
- LoganDark 4mo agoSpecifically, that would be arrogance and entitlement. Both are typically considered selfish. We don't know whether brain chemistry alone leads to this. The traits are complex enough that most likely it is a result of social conditioning rather than only genetics. Genetics may still play a role however, especially epigenetics.
- foco_tubi 4mo agoNo, clinically that is known as a delusion.
- LoganDark 4mo agoSure, suicide can be incredibly selfish, but there are other factors at play here. It's not like he just decided he wanted to harm everybody around him. There are basically always much stronger motivations that stem from very tragic mistreatment and that deserves more recognition than however morally incorrect or disrespectful to others it is to end one's own life. I say this as someone who has attempted and who knows multiple others who have attempted. None of those attempts were intended to harm anyone. They were meant to put an end to unbearable suffering that had no apparent other way out.