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It's basically American VCs vs the China the state. I'm not optimistic for the US at this point, given how much China cares about it and how much talent they ha

by chermi 3mo ago

It's basically American VCs vs the China the state. I'm not optimistic for the US at this point, given how much China cares about it and how much talent they have. And how much they're putting into hardware and the whole ecosystem. Meanwhile we have pro basketball players with no understanding of reality being celebrities for decrying data centers because...land?

tracker1 3mo ago
I'm mostly OK with Data Centers.. my biggest issues are the tax breaks and the electricity usage should be funded by the data centers themselves. Giving 100% property tax breaks and preferred energy rates is kind of ridiculous in the context of serving the public/citizens. Most of the jobs are for only the construction and limited after.
asdfman123 3mo ago
You don't think the US cares about it? You don't think we have talent? We've been vacuuming it up from around the world for years now, much of it directly from China. I have no doubt China can catch up but to say the US isn't in a competitive position is absurd.
- chermi 3mo ago
  I never said it wasn't competitive, I said I'm not optimistic. There's lag effects to everything and I think we're just seeing the beginning of it coming due.
ChrisLTD 3mo ago
The datacenter antipathy is odd, but then again so are the AI corps' marketing strategy of making everyone afraid for their jobs and the future of the species.
- muldvarp 3mo ago
  What else would they advertise with? "Our model constantly makes mistakes so you still have to hire expensive humans to proof-read everything"? The entire point of the AI industry is to automate human jobs. There is nothing else to advertise with.
  - ChrisLTD 3mo ago
    "Our AI makes your workers X times more productive" "Our AI takes the drudgery out of X, Y, and Z"
    - muldvarp 3mo ago
      > "Our AI makes your workers X times more productive" This is still replacement, it's just not _total_ replacement.
- SchemaLoad 3mo ago
  Whatever Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos and Peter Thiel are calling for, the public instinctually wants the opposite.
greekrich92 3mo ago
Doesn't take much to understand why people don't want high electricity bills and a 100Db dull roar inside their homes at all times

by chermi 3mo ago

tracker1 3mo ago

I'm mostly OK with Data Centers.. my biggest issues are the tax breaks and the electricity usage should be funded by the data centers themselves. Giving 100% property tax breaks and preferred energy rates is kind of ridiculous in the context of serving the public/citizens. Most of the jobs are for only the construction and limited after.

asdfman123 3mo ago

You don't think the US cares about it? You don't think we have talent? We've been vacuuming it up from around the world for years now, much of it directly from China. I have no doubt China can catch up but to say the US isn't in a competitive position is absurd.

chermi 3mo ago
I never said it wasn't competitive, I said I'm not optimistic. There's lag effects to everything and I think we're just seeing the beginning of it coming due.

ChrisLTD 3mo ago

The datacenter antipathy is odd, but then again so are the AI corps' marketing strategy of making everyone afraid for their jobs and the future of the species.

muldvarp 3mo ago
What else would they advertise with? "Our model constantly makes mistakes so you still have to hire expensive humans to proof-read everything"? The entire point of the AI industry is to automate human jobs. There is nothing else to advertise with.
- ChrisLTD 3mo ago
  "Our AI makes your workers X times more productive" "Our AI takes the drudgery out of X, Y, and Z"
  - muldvarp 3mo ago
    > "Our AI makes your workers X times more productive" This is still replacement, it's just not _total_ replacement.
SchemaLoad 3mo ago
Whatever Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos and Peter Thiel are calling for, the public instinctually wants the opposite.

greekrich92 3mo ago

Doesn't take much to understand why people don't want high electricity bills and a 100Db dull roar inside their homes at all times