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I do not understand the logic going into these companies. Flagrantly violate all IP in Human history, essentially claiming domain over the heritage of Humanity.

I do not understand the logic going into these companies. Flagrantly violate all IP in Human history, essentially claiming domain over the heritage of Humanity... And... Try to privatize it? When the technology -- and data -- are both public domain to begin with? It is ming-boggling stupidity. If there is talk of bailouts as the dust settles, there it would just be further evidence the system is ethically, financially, and intellectually bankrupt. EDIT: Spelling mistakes

z3ugma 3mo ago
This is the history of enclosure of the commons since the beginning of capitalism
- Varelion 3mo ago
  I'm sorry, is there further reading material on this? I am pretty new to political/economic science.
  - geye1234 3mo ago
    Look up the English Enclosure acts. They brought about a large-scale robbery of peasants by landowners in the 17th and 18th centuries, and created a proletarian class that needed factory work to survive. Things got a little better in the 19th and especially 20th centuries.
    - Varelion 3mo ago
      Will do, thank you!
  - z3ugma 3mo ago
    https://www.progress.org/wiki/enclosure/ https://www.progress.org/wiki/enclosure/ https://www.thelandmagazine.org.uk/articles/short-history-enclosure-britain https://www.thelandmagazine.org.uk/articles/short-history-en...
throwatdem12311 3mo ago
At least China is being consistent: they do not give a single f*ck about intellectual property or copyright…but they also give away all this distilled knowledge away for free. I’m not an American so I don’t particularly like the idea of giving an American cartel of AI companies having so much power over this technology. I don’t necessarily buy into the “China bad”, “they are communists” and all that BS either. I will call a spade a spade and say that in this instance, what China is doing is a net good for the world, ideology be damned.
- mrdevlar 3mo ago
  This is proof that America has forgot it's own history. America was founded by men who hated intellectual property, who stole and smuggled the plans and expertise for textile machinery out of the United Kingdom. A gross intellectual property violation. Why? Because they were being exploited by that system. The UK was using the American colonies for raw material and keeping the machinery in the UK for finished goods. That's the rub, intellectual property is only valuable if you're winning, if you're the exploiter. China never gave a fuck because they, much like the American forefathers, saw a system of exploitation and went "no, thanks". AI is the culmination of all human knowledge, the idea that anyone could own that is obscene. American AI companies that are trying to horde this are getting exactly what they deserve by being undercut by China on this.
  - xiaodai 3mo ago
    Amen! Europe used to complain about the US stealing their intellectual property! The nuclear bomb would have been possible if not for Jewish scientists from Europe going to America! So until about 100 years ago, US was FAR behind Europe in technology and science.
  - mmonaghan 3mo ago
    > the idea that anyone could own that is obscene What if china ends up owning it? Do you think that's better or worse for the world? You're commenting your open opinions on a site run by a company that could not exist in china and cannot today. You can ask ant, xai, and chatgpt models questions and get answers that do their best to reflect the world. There's a set of questions you cannot expect trustworthy answers for from chinese models and you think they're stopping at those few questions? get real bro
ethagnawl 3mo ago
Oh, come on, don't be a decelerationist. We're supposed to just ignore that aspect of our Brave New World. Don't think too hard about the unparalleled resource consumption, either. AGI will alleviate any and all of these concerns ... soon. In the very near future, we'll all be getting UBI, Gemini will know how many Rs there are in "strawberry" and we can spend our days creating the next generation of art to feed the machines. The nuclear salt reactors should be online by then, too, and data center power consumption will become a non-issue.
- mrdevlar 3mo ago
  Hey guys I found one, this guy thinks Machine Jesus is going to save him. I'm trying to figure out if my advice to you should be to do more drugs or less. I am uncertain, perhaps I'll ask an AI.
  - timmytokyo 3mo ago
    Poe's Law. Look it up.
    - fittingopposite 3mo ago
      Poe's law is an adage of Internet culture which says that, without a clear indicator of the author's intent, any parodic or sarcastic expression of extreme views can be mistaken by some readers for a sincere expression of those views. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law
infamouscow 3mo ago
I don't think there will be any bailouts for these AI companies. There's no political will to do so in both parties. The grizzly alternative is a DeFlock movement, but instead of cutting down poles, it will be people's heads.

z3ugma 3mo ago

This is the history of enclosure of the commons since the beginning of capitalism

Varelion 3mo ago
I'm sorry, is there further reading material on this? I am pretty new to political/economic science.
- geye1234 3mo ago
  Look up the English Enclosure acts. They brought about a large-scale robbery of peasants by landowners in the 17th and 18th centuries, and created a proletarian class that needed factory work to survive. Things got a little better in the 19th and especially 20th centuries.
  - Varelion 3mo ago
    Will do, thank you!
- z3ugma 3mo ago
  https://www.progress.org/wiki/enclosure/ https://www.progress.org/wiki/enclosure/ https://www.thelandmagazine.org.uk/articles/short-history-enclosure-britain https://www.thelandmagazine.org.uk/articles/short-history-en...

throwatdem12311 3mo ago

At least China is being consistent: they do not give a single f*ck about intellectual property or copyright…but they also give away all this distilled knowledge away for free. I’m not an American so I don’t particularly like the idea of giving an American cartel of AI companies having so much power over this technology. I don’t necessarily buy into the “China bad”, “they are communists” and all that BS either. I will call a spade a spade and say that in this instance, what China is doing is a net good for the world, ideology be damned.

mrdevlar 3mo ago
This is proof that America has forgot it's own history. America was founded by men who hated intellectual property, who stole and smuggled the plans and expertise for textile machinery out of the United Kingdom. A gross intellectual property violation. Why? Because they were being exploited by that system. The UK was using the American colonies for raw material and keeping the machinery in the UK for finished goods. That's the rub, intellectual property is only valuable if you're winning, if you're the exploiter. China never gave a fuck because they, much like the American forefathers, saw a system of exploitation and went "no, thanks". AI is the culmination of all human knowledge, the idea that anyone could own that is obscene. American AI companies that are trying to horde this are getting exactly what they deserve by being undercut by China on this.
- xiaodai 3mo ago
  Amen! Europe used to complain about the US stealing their intellectual property! The nuclear bomb would have been possible if not for Jewish scientists from Europe going to America! So until about 100 years ago, US was FAR behind Europe in technology and science.
- mmonaghan 3mo ago
  > the idea that anyone could own that is obscene What if china ends up owning it? Do you think that's better or worse for the world? You're commenting your open opinions on a site run by a company that could not exist in china and cannot today. You can ask ant, xai, and chatgpt models questions and get answers that do their best to reflect the world. There's a set of questions you cannot expect trustworthy answers for from chinese models and you think they're stopping at those few questions? get real bro

ethagnawl 3mo ago

Oh, come on, don't be a decelerationist. We're supposed to just ignore that aspect of our Brave New World. Don't think too hard about the unparalleled resource consumption, either. AGI will alleviate any and all of these concerns ... soon. In the very near future, we'll all be getting UBI, Gemini will know how many Rs there are in "strawberry" and we can spend our days creating the next generation of art to feed the machines. The nuclear salt reactors should be online by then, too, and data center power consumption will become a non-issue.

mrdevlar 3mo ago
Hey guys I found one, this guy thinks Machine Jesus is going to save him. I'm trying to figure out if my advice to you should be to do more drugs or less. I am uncertain, perhaps I'll ask an AI.
- timmytokyo 3mo ago
  Poe's Law. Look it up.
  - fittingopposite 3mo ago
    Poe's law is an adage of Internet culture which says that, without a clear indicator of the author's intent, any parodic or sarcastic expression of extreme views can be mistaken by some readers for a sincere expression of those views. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law

infamouscow 3mo ago

I don't think there will be any bailouts for these AI companies. There's no political will to do so in both parties. The grizzly alternative is a DeFlock movement, but instead of cutting down poles, it will be people's heads.