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First, I’m not your buddy, and that kind of condescending language doesn’t really help the discussion. Second, I assumed these issues were common knowledge sinc
by jb1991 3mo ago
First, I’m not your buddy, and that kind of condescending language doesn’t really help the discussion. Second, I assumed these issues were common knowledge since the frequent shootings in broad daylight that have rocked Sweden in the last couple of years have been from immigrant gang violence, and I mistakenly assumed everyone was aware of these news reports. But perhaps it’s only most obvious here in Europe.
There are other comments in this thread that are expressing the situation better than I am.
- surgical_fire 3mo ago[flagged]
- jb1991 3mo agoI don't know what an "ethnonationalist" is but it sounds derogatory, and replacing "buddy" with what I assume is an even worse insult is not helping the discourse here. I do not live in Sweden, but the gang violence and problems reported there are in the news and I read about it frequently. The was the point of my original post, which is that there is a context to this discussion that many probably aren't getting because they have no direct links to the society there. I think some of the other comments in this thread do a better job of underscoring this point than I am. Some of the other commenters here (from Sweden, it seems) are doing a better job than me at explaining the problem, so I defer to them: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48977076 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48977076 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48976762 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48976762 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48977054 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48977054
- ad404b8a372f2b9 3mo agoJust have some balls and call him a cunt if you're going to insult him, at least there will be no misunderstanding. I can't stand these kind of passive aggressive middle-of-the-road insults, you clearly think he's a scumbag, stand by your beliefs instead of speaking like you work in HR.
- surgical_fire 3mo agoWhat? He wants to spew ethnonationalist bullshit and not be labeled an ethnonationalist? Does an ethnonationalist even consider it to be an insult? I was not even insulting him, I was being descriptive. I may or may not think he is a scumbag, but that's beyond the point being made.
- jb1991 3mo agoPointing out the context for an argument and the many articles and discussions that have taken place on that subject in the news is not the same thing as participating in or taking sides in the discussion. I take offense that you have made this personal.
- surgical_fire 3mo agoYeah, I know the deal. It's the school of "I am just a concerned citizen" and "I am just noticing things". It gets tiresome super fast. You could have noticed that the nationalities mentioned in the study (as pointed out in other comments, Serbian and Turkish) are not nationalities where refugees typically come from. Those are very specific. You could also have considered other things - why are other European countries that had large immigration in recent decades are not seeing the surge in crime such as Sweden. Might it have other causes, such as Swedish approach to guns? Other structural issues? No, you preferred to just claim some outlandish bullshit (all crime is tied to refugees), then get all touchy and snowflaky about being labeled an ethnonationalist. You want your argument to be taken seriously, then you should think seriously about the shit you are writing and the consequences of it.
- jb1991 3mo agoI see you have been triggered by this discussion and my apologies if I've contributed to it, but you ascribe qualities to me that are not true and I find your discourse unreasonable.