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The author has a PhD in math from Cambridge. If it turns out to be a false claim it is an interesting case study on AI's sycophancy causing even experts to drop

The author has a PhD in math from Cambridge. If it turns out to be a false claim it is an interesting case study on AI's sycophancy causing even experts to drop their guard and make mistakes.

omaranto 3mo ago
Who do you mean? The author of the tweet is Levent Alpöge, who does not have a PhD in math from Cambridge... but does have a PhD in math from Princeton. And his advisor was Fields Medalist Manjul Bhargava. Also, there is no way this counterexample is wrong. You can very easily check it for yourself. (I did, I don't know why, obviously Levent wouldn't be wrong about this, but I guess I was in shock.)
- nullc 3mo ago
  Irony in the message you're responding to likely suffering from slop-facts itself. And indeed it's trivial to verify.
EagnaIonat 3mo ago
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- meowface 3mo ago
  I don't know why you're saying this, given this is not sycophancy and instead is an actual example of Claude Fable finding a real counterexample. I would get it if the mathematician had in fact posted something untrue or crankish, but he posted something true. Frontier models have solved several major open problems in mathematics in the past few months, so this should not be a huge shock. "Anti-AI psychosis" will probably grow to outcompete AI psychosis by year's end.
  - Lerc 3mo ago
    >"Anti-AI psychosis" will probably grow to outcompete AI psychosis by year's end. Everyone has their own experiences making it hard to judge what attitudes are prevalent. From what I have encountered the Anti-AI people have been more common and more outright scary. I have heard some ideas from the Pro AI crowd and thought to myself "Yeah, that's not going to happen anytime soon", There was enthusiasm leading to overoptimism. A lot of them are going to be disappointed. The Anti AI crowd, which I distinguish from those who want AI done responsibly, sustainably, and as safe as can be realistically be managed. There are real criticisms to be made on real issues here. The Anti AI crowd I see seem to want to scrub the world of it, they stand in the way of any responsible implementation because it would be accepting it. Those people scare me, the vitriol and bad faith interpretation of everything as an indicator of the proof of their reality has the tone of the moral righteousness of a true believer. The outright endorsement of violent acts has me concerned that the more radical or emotionally unstable of the group will do some serious harm. It's not the bulk of a radical movement that causes atrocities, most of those involved just create an environment that normalises toxic attitudes. That environment can incubate a few individuals that act, either for phycological reasons, status, or simple the inability to empathise or consider consequences.
    - thin_carapace 3mo ago
      I've seen plenty videos of locals being violently removed from town halls due to displaying of anti AI sentiment. I wouldnt consider it fair to use these examples to tar the entirety of the pro AI camp. the way objectivity and subjectivity are intertwined in your comment is spectacular, ever considered a career in propaganda?
      - Lerc 3mo ago
        Do you have links to these videos? You comment suggests you feel there is something wrong with what I said, could you elaborate?
        EagnaIonat 3mo ago
        They are probably talking about data centres and town hall meetings where people are objecting and being removed. Even a casual search you will find numerous videos. The only issue I see with your comment (and this thread stems off the misreading of my post), is that despite your "I see the difference" it is still labelling one side. In truth, there are crazy people everywhere.
  - senraex 3mo ago
    This is just a form of mass stupidity by the non-intellectually curious people who massively overrate their own intelligence. Sorry, but if the current models haven't shown you something amazing at this point that would make this of little surprise, it because the person is an intellectual bore and completely full of shit themselves.
  - EagnaIonat 3mo ago
    I was responding to the person, not the top post. I find it funny to be "anti-ai" when I work in the field. Pointing out dangers that need to be addressed isn't being Anti-AI. I didn't comment on the top post because it's not my area.

The author has a PhD in math from Cambridge. If it turns out to be a false claim it is an interesting case study on AI's sycophancy causing even experts to drop their guard and make mistakes.

omaranto 3mo ago

Who do you mean? The author of the tweet is Levent Alpöge, who does not have a PhD in math from Cambridge... but does have a PhD in math from Princeton. And his advisor was Fields Medalist Manjul Bhargava. Also, there is no way this counterexample is wrong. You can very easily check it for yourself. (I did, I don't know why, obviously Levent wouldn't be wrong about this, but I guess I was in shock.)

nullc 3mo ago
Irony in the message you're responding to likely suffering from slop-facts itself. And indeed it's trivial to verify.

EagnaIonat 3mo ago

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meowface 3mo ago
I don't know why you're saying this, given this is not sycophancy and instead is an actual example of Claude Fable finding a real counterexample. I would get it if the mathematician had in fact posted something untrue or crankish, but he posted something true. Frontier models have solved several major open problems in mathematics in the past few months, so this should not be a huge shock. "Anti-AI psychosis" will probably grow to outcompete AI psychosis by year's end.
- Lerc 3mo ago
  >"Anti-AI psychosis" will probably grow to outcompete AI psychosis by year's end. Everyone has their own experiences making it hard to judge what attitudes are prevalent. From what I have encountered the Anti-AI people have been more common and more outright scary. I have heard some ideas from the Pro AI crowd and thought to myself "Yeah, that's not going to happen anytime soon", There was enthusiasm leading to overoptimism. A lot of them are going to be disappointed. The Anti AI crowd, which I distinguish from those who want AI done responsibly, sustainably, and as safe as can be realistically be managed. There are real criticisms to be made on real issues here. The Anti AI crowd I see seem to want to scrub the world of it, they stand in the way of any responsible implementation because it would be accepting it. Those people scare me, the vitriol and bad faith interpretation of everything as an indicator of the proof of their reality has the tone of the moral righteousness of a true believer. The outright endorsement of violent acts has me concerned that the more radical or emotionally unstable of the group will do some serious harm. It's not the bulk of a radical movement that causes atrocities, most of those involved just create an environment that normalises toxic attitudes. That environment can incubate a few individuals that act, either for phycological reasons, status, or simple the inability to empathise or consider consequences.
  - thin_carapace 3mo ago
    I've seen plenty videos of locals being violently removed from town halls due to displaying of anti AI sentiment. I wouldnt consider it fair to use these examples to tar the entirety of the pro AI camp. the way objectivity and subjectivity are intertwined in your comment is spectacular, ever considered a career in propaganda?
    - Lerc 3mo ago
      Do you have links to these videos? You comment suggests you feel there is something wrong with what I said, could you elaborate?
      - EagnaIonat 3mo ago
        They are probably talking about data centres and town hall meetings where people are objecting and being removed. Even a casual search you will find numerous videos. The only issue I see with your comment (and this thread stems off the misreading of my post), is that despite your "I see the difference" it is still labelling one side. In truth, there are crazy people everywhere.
- senraex 3mo ago
  This is just a form of mass stupidity by the non-intellectually curious people who massively overrate their own intelligence. Sorry, but if the current models haven't shown you something amazing at this point that would make this of little surprise, it because the person is an intellectual bore and completely full of shit themselves.
- EagnaIonat 3mo ago
  I was responding to the person, not the top post. I find it funny to be "anti-ai" when I work in the field. Pointing out dangers that need to be addressed isn't being Anti-AI. I didn't comment on the top post because it's not my area.