3 ms·

Why not using Swift?

• norman784 4mo ago
  Swift is very weak outside Apple ecosystem, compared to Rust. Not sure nowadays, but Swift used to have breaking changes each major release, that's a non go for a big project.
  • ttflee 4mo ago
    But Swift has a stable ABI which neither Zig nor Rust could provide.
    • satyapr93 4mo ago
      only on macOS. On other platforms ABI is not stable.
    • norman784 4mo ago
      How important is stable ABI for projects like Bun? I think it only matters if you are building a shared library.
• Ygg2 4mo ago
  Andreas Kling talked about it. It boils down to C++ interop sucks (no surprise for lang made by Apple), ecosystem is tiny, Rust works well enough with LLMs. https://youtu.be/DbHjKi_jASY https://youtu.be/DbHjKi_jASY
  • pjmlp 4mo ago
    Swift is one of the few toolchains that actually has some kind of builtin C++ interop, alongside Objective-C++, D, .NET (via C++/CLI), Carbon (eventually).
  • jabwd 4mo ago
    He just wanted to use LLMs for coding, and not enough training data on Swift code exists for his use case. Admitting to that would be rather silly, so here we have this sentiment now exist rent free in people's brains. The C++ interop of Swift is perfectly fine, to such a degree that FoundationDB is now using it effectively alongside its C++ origins.