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Another human being took time from their life to try and help you It wasn't as much time as you felt entitled to from them, so you responded by minimizing thei

Another human being took time from their life to try and help you It wasn't as much time as you felt entitled to from them, so you responded by minimizing their contribution and being condescending. That upset them. The problem here was not the other person.

kaashif 3mo ago
Someone is drowning and calls for help. I throw a bucket of chum into the water and walk away, putting my headphones on. Well I did take the time to help, better than nothing, right?
pebble 3mo ago
Sometimes a well-meaning fool is worse than no help at all.
- mapontosevenths 3mo ago
  That doesnt excuse you from the obligation to be civil. Especially given that the other party was trying to help.
  - pebble 3mo ago
    There was nothing uncivil in the response the above commenter gave.
    - mapontosevenths 3mo ago
      I suppose that "civil" is relative. Personaly, I wouldn't speak to someone who just tried to help me that way. Instead I would restate the question to avoid bad answers. If you start by saying what you've already tried, and how it worked, it cuts off most of those "lazy answers." In my experience most lazy answers are provided as response to lazy questions.
      - NopIdoN 3mo ago
        this is why all my emails start with "PLEASE DO"
      - what 3mo ago
        Sending that “lazy answer” because you assumed the other person hasn’t tried solving the question themselves seems like the “uncivil” action. You should probably assume your colleague has tried before asking for help, and probably tried the same lazy route you used to respond.
        mapontosevenths 3mo ago
        > You should probably assume your colleague has tried before asking for help, Spoken like someone who has never worked in a customer support role. You can never assume competency, from anyone. Even the best amd brightest have bad days.
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  - shimman 3mo ago
    It's more uncivil to waste another human's time with slop, it's extremely insulting. There is a massive public backlash against the tech for many reasons now.
  - ipsento606 3mo ago
    replying with LLM generated text without clearly labelling it as LLM generated text is inherently dishonest I'm a pretty civil person, but I won't go out of my way to be extra polite to someone who is being actively being dishonest towards me
Applejinx 3mo ago
No… they took time from YOUR life to try and take credit for what an LLM produced when asked. And took over from you when you'd apparently chosen not to ask an LLM, as if to say 'thank me for knowing better because you were supposed to be asking the LLM about this'.
Forgeties79 3mo ago
When it comes to the specific case of people just mindlessly copy/pasting LLM’s: No, I asked them to help and they offloaded it without applying any of the expertise I specifically asked for. If they don’t want to give their opinion or their expertise they should say “no.” It’s a valid response! If I’m asking for you to give your time and you don’t have time to give, that’s fine! But don’t just throw my question into an LLM and then paste the results to me. I too have access to LLM’s. I didn’t ask for a middleman. It’s the same reason I never like it when people on hobby/interest forums tell people “Google it.” No dude, we all gathered here to discuss this topic. If people are going to ask basic questions, that’s part of the gig. They are asking the community. Perhaps they got bad results via search. People need to get over themselves lmao I don’t know what else to say. We’ve just got this wild culture where everyone puts such a premium on their own time but now doesn’t value anyone else’s, as evidenced by all the slop dumping. By all means use LLM’s. They’re a tool, they’re there to be used. But use your own brain too. Give the results your attention. Don’t just dump them on me.
- mapontosevenths 3mo ago
  > I too have access to LLM’s. You should have stated what you already tried then. You didn't, so they did the obvious thing for you... to do you a favor. If you'd tried something before asking them surely you'd have told them that at the start, right? > as evidenced by all the slop dumping I see more evidence of lazy questions. A good question includes what you've already done to help understand the issue (often refereed to as the proof of work). If you don't do that the other party must assume you are either don't now how, or didn't have time to. If they are kind they do the obvious thing for you. If they are not kind, they just ignore your lazy question. I mostly ignore the lazy ones these days. Tell me what you tried or I assume you're just trying to get me to do the reading so you don't have to. You should value the people who take the time to answer your inadequate question at all, rather than bemoaning them for not doing ENOUGH free labor for you when you weren't even willing to type a few lines about what you'd already tried. Now if you say "I've already Googled it and asked all the AI's, but can't find anything" and they still dump some slop on you then there's a problem.
  - 3mo ago
zahlman 3mo ago
> Another human being took time from their life to try and help you By copying and pasting my question into ChatGPT, and then copying and pasting the answer back? It would have been more helpful, and still trivial, to remind me that ChatGPT exists. > It wasn't as much time as you felt entitled to from them No entitlement is implied by posting a question. The other human being could have just as well ignored the query entirely.

kaashif 3mo ago

Someone is drowning and calls for help. I throw a bucket of chum into the water and walk away, putting my headphones on. Well I did take the time to help, better than nothing, right?

pebble 3mo ago

Sometimes a well-meaning fool is worse than no help at all.

mapontosevenths 3mo ago
That doesnt excuse you from the obligation to be civil. Especially given that the other party was trying to help.
- pebble 3mo ago
  There was nothing uncivil in the response the above commenter gave.
  - mapontosevenths 3mo ago
    I suppose that "civil" is relative. Personaly, I wouldn't speak to someone who just tried to help me that way. Instead I would restate the question to avoid bad answers. If you start by saying what you've already tried, and how it worked, it cuts off most of those "lazy answers." In my experience most lazy answers are provided as response to lazy questions.
    - NopIdoN 3mo ago
      this is why all my emails start with "PLEASE DO"
    - what 3mo ago
      Sending that “lazy answer” because you assumed the other person hasn’t tried solving the question themselves seems like the “uncivil” action. You should probably assume your colleague has tried before asking for help, and probably tried the same lazy route you used to respond.
      - mapontosevenths 3mo ago
        > You should probably assume your colleague has tried before asking for help, Spoken like someone who has never worked in a customer support role. You can never assume competency, from anyone. Even the best amd brightest have bad days.
        deleted 3mo ago
        [deleted]
- shimman 3mo ago
  It's more uncivil to waste another human's time with slop, it's extremely insulting. There is a massive public backlash against the tech for many reasons now.
- ipsento606 3mo ago
  replying with LLM generated text without clearly labelling it as LLM generated text is inherently dishonest I'm a pretty civil person, but I won't go out of my way to be extra polite to someone who is being actively being dishonest towards me

Applejinx 3mo ago

No… they took time from YOUR life to try and take credit for what an LLM produced when asked. And took over from you when you'd apparently chosen not to ask an LLM, as if to say 'thank me for knowing better because you were supposed to be asking the LLM about this'.

Forgeties79 3mo ago

When it comes to the specific case of people just mindlessly copy/pasting LLM’s: No, I asked them to help and they offloaded it without applying any of the expertise I specifically asked for. If they don’t want to give their opinion or their expertise they should say “no.” It’s a valid response! If I’m asking for you to give your time and you don’t have time to give, that’s fine! But don’t just throw my question into an LLM and then paste the results to me. I too have access to LLM’s. I didn’t ask for a middleman. It’s the same reason I never like it when people on hobby/interest forums tell people “Google it.” No dude, we all gathered here to discuss this topic. If people are going to ask basic questions, that’s part of the gig. They are asking the community. Perhaps they got bad results via search. People need to get over themselves lmao I don’t know what else to say. We’ve just got this wild culture where everyone puts such a premium on their own time but now doesn’t value anyone else’s, as evidenced by all the slop dumping. By all means use LLM’s. They’re a tool, they’re there to be used. But use your own brain too. Give the results your attention. Don’t just dump them on me.

mapontosevenths 3mo ago
> I too have access to LLM’s. You should have stated what you already tried then. You didn't, so they did the obvious thing for you... to do you a favor. If you'd tried something before asking them surely you'd have told them that at the start, right? > as evidenced by all the slop dumping I see more evidence of lazy questions. A good question includes what you've already done to help understand the issue (often refereed to as the proof of work). If you don't do that the other party must assume you are either don't now how, or didn't have time to. If they are kind they do the obvious thing for you. If they are not kind, they just ignore your lazy question. I mostly ignore the lazy ones these days. Tell me what you tried or I assume you're just trying to get me to do the reading so you don't have to. You should value the people who take the time to answer your inadequate question at all, rather than bemoaning them for not doing ENOUGH free labor for you when you weren't even willing to type a few lines about what you'd already tried. Now if you say "I've already Googled it and asked all the AI's, but can't find anything" and they still dump some slop on you then there's a problem.
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zahlman 3mo ago

> Another human being took time from their life to try and help you By copying and pasting my question into ChatGPT, and then copying and pasting the answer back? It would have been more helpful, and still trivial, to remind me that ChatGPT exists. > It wasn't as much time as you felt entitled to from them No entitlement is implied by posting a question. The other human being could have just as well ignored the query entirely.