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The outrage was more how the rewrite was communicated and defended, which was objectively poor.

by bmitc 3mo ago

pronik 3mo ago
Which was completely bonkers -- it happened completely in the open, people were just outraged that something like this happens without asking them and not on a schedule they perceive as adequate. Most of them haven't really grasped what was happening and why. Many still don't.
- bmitc 3mo ago
  It wasn't out in the open. It was never announced or discussed ahead of time. It was just done because the company who purchased Bun wanted it done, and they only communicated it was happening once they started. I don't consider the following comment to be good, honest, and open communication: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48016880#48019226 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48016880#48019226
  - simonw 3mo ago
    What was dishonest about that comment? > There’s a very high chance all this code gets thrown out completely. ... and a few days later he decided that the code wouldn't get thrown out. That doesn't make the comment itself dishonest, he didn't have a crystal ball. You can absolutely argue that the rewrite was not communicated clearly once they committed to it, but I don't think the comment you linked to there stands as evidence of poor communication at the time it was written.
    - bmitc 3mo ago
      He knew he wasn't going to throw out the code when he made that comment.
      - simonw 3mo ago
        I think he didn't know. We are at an impasse.
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- cube00 3mo ago
  > it happened completely in the open You don't create PRs like this when you're working "completely in the open" test ci #30412 No description provided. https://web.archive.org/web/20260509235415/https://github.com/oven-sh/bun/pull/30412 https://web.archive.org/web/20260509235415/https://github.co...
  - tick_tock_tick 3mo ago
    You don't test CI before you publish stuff?
    - cube00 3mo ago
      I give the PR a proper title on creation. I don't see any reason to create a PR with a title of "test ci" and then rename it later to: Rewrite Bun in Rust #30412
      - tick_tock_tick 3mo ago
        well you'd hate my work then plenty of people have zero issue opening DRAFT: DON'T MERGE CI TEST and then they forget to close em when they go another route and they sit around for 2 months until they auto close or they fix it up into something reviewable. It's been a thing at literally every place I've worked are you really saying you don't see that?

The outrage was more how the rewrite was communicated and defended, which was objectively poor.

by bmitc 3mo ago

The outrage was more how the rewrite was communicated and defended, which was objectively poor.

Which was completely bonkers -- it happened completely in the open, people were just outraged that something like this happens without asking them and not on a schedule they perceive as adequate. Most of them haven't really grasped what was happening and why. Many still don't.

bmitc 3mo ago
It wasn't out in the open. It was never announced or discussed ahead of time. It was just done because the company who purchased Bun wanted it done, and they only communicated it was happening once they started. I don't consider the following comment to be good, honest, and open communication: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48016880#48019226 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48016880#48019226
- simonw 3mo ago
  What was dishonest about that comment? > There’s a very high chance all this code gets thrown out completely. ... and a few days later he decided that the code wouldn't get thrown out. That doesn't make the comment itself dishonest, he didn't have a crystal ball. You can absolutely argue that the rewrite was not communicated clearly once they committed to it, but I don't think the comment you linked to there stands as evidence of poor communication at the time it was written.
  - bmitc 3mo ago
    He knew he wasn't going to throw out the code when he made that comment.
    - simonw 3mo ago
      I think he didn't know. We are at an impasse.
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cube00 3mo ago
> it happened completely in the open You don't create PRs like this when you're working "completely in the open" test ci #30412 No description provided. https://web.archive.org/web/20260509235415/https://github.com/oven-sh/bun/pull/30412 https://web.archive.org/web/20260509235415/https://github.co...
- tick_tock_tick 3mo ago
  You don't test CI before you publish stuff?
  - cube00 3mo ago
    I give the PR a proper title on creation. I don't see any reason to create a PR with a title of "test ci" and then rename it later to: Rewrite Bun in Rust #30412
    - tick_tock_tick 3mo ago
      well you'd hate my work then plenty of people have zero issue opening DRAFT: DON'T MERGE CI TEST and then they forget to close em when they go another route and they sit around for 2 months until they auto close or they fix it up into something reviewable. It's been a thing at literally every place I've worked are you really saying you don't see that?