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Whenever I've answered this question, the reply was always "this is shit", so I don't bother now. Bad faith questions just shouldn't be answered.

by stavros 3mo ago

Forgeties79 3mo ago
This just feels like a bad faith comment designed to spike the conversation entirely.
- speedster217 3mo ago
  Agreed. AI has been "just trust me bro" for so long. People need to show receipts instead of spreading vague hype
  - Forgeties79 3mo ago
    Especially given the wildly unsustainable rate of investment.
dominotw 3mo ago
shipped = paying real users ( or a non profit with users) doesnt matter what subjective opinions are. shipped is not pushing something on github.
- dofm 3mo ago
  My definition would be "users waiting for it who received it"; that's the one that fits the broadest real world definition of the word. Not everything is an organisation, not everyone is paying.
  - lovich 3mo ago
    If the only user is the author, then I don’t see a meaningful distinction between shipped and not shipped. It’s like a blacksmith who said they invented a new tool with great value but they built it themselves and no one else is willing to use it because it’s so customized to their workflow. Edit: I’ll add a caveat that I’d agree it was shipped if it’s making the author money even if they are the only user, but otherwise it all smells like dotcom era Pets.com level of selling a dollar for 99 cents and claiming it’s the future.
- apparent 3mo ago
  I have used AI to ship software that users pay for.
  - apparent 3mo ago
    What a weird thing to downvote without comment. You doubt this? I am literally using AI right now to update software that generates tens of thousands of dollars of revenue annually.
- aytigra 3mo ago
  Many very well made software written without any AI was never "shipped" because there were no people who wanted to pay for it, many very poorly made software was shipped because demand and marketing did the job. So evaluating software by "shipped or not" is just useless.
dofm 3mo ago
If you characterise questions as bad faith so you don’t have to answer, sure. Since this is my thread, and since I am an exasperated freelancer who has made most of his post-dot-com career from writing exactly the kind of quite small, simple, unambitious, often internal things for smaller customers that nobody would confuse with anything cool, who is trying to understand how AI is going to make his life any better when it’s so opaque, fast moving, poorly documented and full of unverifiable claims battling unverifiable claims, let me assure you that the following question is not being asked in bad faith: What did you ship?
- stavros 3mo ago
  I've shipped small, simple, unambitious internal things for our company that saved people lots of time, and I've shipped them in minutes rather than the a day or two they used to take. I've just shipped a migration from our old auth service to the new one in a week, a migration that we've put off for three years because it would take the team months to finish. I've shipped small side-projects that I'm the primary (and usually only) user of, but they now take me two days rather than weeks of effort and learning (e.g. https://www.writelucid.cc https://www.writelucid.cc, https://pine.town https://pine.town, https://stavrobot.stavros.io https://stavrobot.stavros.io, https://github.com/skorokithakis/dracula https://github.com/skorokithakis/dracula). I've made changes in OSS apps that I just wouldn't have made otherwise (https://github.com/futo-org/android-keyboard/pulls/skorokithakis https://github.com/futo-org/android-keyboard/pulls/skorokith...), and even some closed-source ones (https://www.stavros.io/posts/adding-a-feature-to-a-closed-source-app/ https://www.stavros.io/posts/adding-a-feature-to-a-closed-so...). I've shipped hardware projects that would have taken me months of learning in a few days (https://www.stavros.io/posts/i-made-a-voice-note-taker/ https://www.stavros.io/posts/i-made-a-voice-note-taker/). How's that?
  - taosx 3mo ago
    This is exactly why people shouold share what they are doing with ai, so we know whwn it works, the scope, tech...etc. Thank you for sharing.
    - 3mo ago
itishappy 3mo ago
Why assume bad faith? I've witnessed a barrage of "proof of concepts" at my dayjob by folks who have zero intention of ever hooking up their dashboard to our actual messy data. Shipping is still a major barrier. Is your experience meaningfully different?

Whenever I've answered this question, the reply was always "this is shit", so I don't bother now. Bad faith questions just shouldn't be answered.

by stavros 3mo ago

Whenever I've answered this question, the reply was always "this is shit", so I don't bother now. Bad faith questions just shouldn't be answered.

Forgeties79 3mo ago

This just feels like a bad faith comment designed to spike the conversation entirely.

speedster217 3mo ago
Agreed. AI has been "just trust me bro" for so long. People need to show receipts instead of spreading vague hype
- Forgeties79 3mo ago
  Especially given the wildly unsustainable rate of investment.

dominotw 3mo ago

shipped = paying real users ( or a non profit with users) doesnt matter what subjective opinions are. shipped is not pushing something on github.

dofm 3mo ago
My definition would be "users waiting for it who received it"; that's the one that fits the broadest real world definition of the word. Not everything is an organisation, not everyone is paying.
- lovich 3mo ago
  If the only user is the author, then I don’t see a meaningful distinction between shipped and not shipped. It’s like a blacksmith who said they invented a new tool with great value but they built it themselves and no one else is willing to use it because it’s so customized to their workflow. Edit: I’ll add a caveat that I’d agree it was shipped if it’s making the author money even if they are the only user, but otherwise it all smells like dotcom era Pets.com level of selling a dollar for 99 cents and claiming it’s the future.
apparent 3mo ago
I have used AI to ship software that users pay for.
- apparent 3mo ago
  What a weird thing to downvote without comment. You doubt this? I am literally using AI right now to update software that generates tens of thousands of dollars of revenue annually.
aytigra 3mo ago
Many very well made software written without any AI was never "shipped" because there were no people who wanted to pay for it, many very poorly made software was shipped because demand and marketing did the job. So evaluating software by "shipped or not" is just useless.

dofm 3mo ago

If you characterise questions as bad faith so you don’t have to answer, sure. Since this is my thread, and since I am an exasperated freelancer who has made most of his post-dot-com career from writing exactly the kind of quite small, simple, unambitious, often internal things for smaller customers that nobody would confuse with anything cool, who is trying to understand how AI is going to make his life any better when it’s so opaque, fast moving, poorly documented and full of unverifiable claims battling unverifiable claims, let me assure you that the following question is not being asked in bad faith: What did you ship?

stavros 3mo ago
I've shipped small, simple, unambitious internal things for our company that saved people lots of time, and I've shipped them in minutes rather than the a day or two they used to take. I've just shipped a migration from our old auth service to the new one in a week, a migration that we've put off for three years because it would take the team months to finish. I've shipped small side-projects that I'm the primary (and usually only) user of, but they now take me two days rather than weeks of effort and learning (e.g. https://www.writelucid.cc https://www.writelucid.cc, https://pine.town https://pine.town, https://stavrobot.stavros.io https://stavrobot.stavros.io, https://github.com/skorokithakis/dracula https://github.com/skorokithakis/dracula). I've made changes in OSS apps that I just wouldn't have made otherwise (https://github.com/futo-org/android-keyboard/pulls/skorokithakis https://github.com/futo-org/android-keyboard/pulls/skorokith...), and even some closed-source ones (https://www.stavros.io/posts/adding-a-feature-to-a-closed-source-app/ https://www.stavros.io/posts/adding-a-feature-to-a-closed-so...). I've shipped hardware projects that would have taken me months of learning in a few days (https://www.stavros.io/posts/i-made-a-voice-note-taker/ https://www.stavros.io/posts/i-made-a-voice-note-taker/). How's that?
- taosx 3mo ago
  This is exactly why people shouold share what they are doing with ai, so we know whwn it works, the scope, tech...etc. Thank you for sharing.
  - 3mo ago

itishappy 3mo ago

Why assume bad faith? I've witnessed a barrage of "proof of concepts" at my dayjob by folks who have zero intention of ever hooking up their dashboard to our actual messy data. Shipping is still a major barrier. Is your experience meaningfully different?