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No? I think OP’s comment was very clear: > The most recent release of Bun on GitHub is currently v1.3.14 from May 12th, so that v1.4.0 version number in Claude

by afavour 3mo ago

No? I think OP’s comment was very clear: > The most recent release of Bun on GitHub is currently v1.3.14 from May 12th, so that v1.4.0 version number in Claude supports them shipping a preview of a not-yet-released Bun version. > And so, the FOSS project "Bun" silently dies There’s no implication that it’s because of the switch to Rust.

firesteelrain 3mo ago
> The objection isn’t to the language. It’s to Claude using a version of Bun that is not available to us. I was responding to your GP comment. For weeks, it was uproar over the blanket AI move to Rust and now it’s this reason. That’s why I said the goalposts are being moved.
- afavour 3mo ago
  That seems illogical to me. We’re only allowed to have one objection to a project and once that’s used up we can’t air another? FWIW I don’t think people have forgotten the original objection either!
  - firesteelrain 3mo ago
    You can; it feels contrived and very social justice warrior/anti Anthropic (which on HN is in of itself almost a meme now). The main reason was because of the blanket AI move which I could understand.
    - afavour 3mo ago
      I think your perception of events is pretty heavily affected by personal bias here. Objecting to a hasty AI rewrite of an entire runtime and objecting to violating the spirit of FOSS is “very social justice warrior”? What?
      - firesteelrain 3mo ago
        Please re read your original comment. AI rewrite is one thing and objecting to FOSS/non FOSS is a new argument, anti-Anthropic etc is moving the goal posts. The main argument was the blanket rewrite to Rust using Claude. Now, /you/ are trying to move the goalposts into an entirely different argument. Very likely it’s just anti Anthropic altogether. Like I said, a meme. Anthropic hasn’t done anything wrong but if they move a single inch then people will complain. Perhaps it is just a preview version?
        afavour 3mo ago
        Airing two entirely separate objections to a project is not “moving the goalposts”. The original objection still stands! You’re using a phrase you’ve heard in an inappropriate context. I’m sorry but this is a nonsensical debate. > Now, /you/ are trying to move the goalposts into an entirely different argument. You said something and I responded to it. That’s invalid too now? There can only ever be one single objection in a conversation? I’m not permitted to react to the things said? Like I said, nonsense.
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        firesteelrain 3mo ago
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    - NewsaHackO 3mo ago
      People are now saying poor communication because the Bun creator was not able to see the future and didn’t immediately flag his draft rewrite as the next big thing when he started working on it.
- embedding-shape 3mo ago
  > For weeks, it was uproar over the blanket AI move to Rust and now it’s this reason. That’s why I said the goalposts are being moved. I'm just one person though, and have no problem with a move to language X, using tool Y, who cares? For "goalpost are being moved" to be valid here, you have to be able to point to someone saying one thing at one point, then same person putting a different target later. You're folding a huge group of people into one person, when that's not really accurate to do.
  - firesteelrain 3mo ago
    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48843352 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48843352 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48837877 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48837877
    - embedding-shape 3mo ago
      Your point being? None of my comments in either of those state that I'm upset about it moving from Zig to Rust?
      - firesteelrain 3mo ago
        I wasn’t referring to you and rather the general sentiment. Hence, goal posts have been moved again comment.
        embedding-shape 3mo ago
        My overall larger point (maybe poorly stated) was that unless you're engaged specifically in a 1-on-1 conversation with someone, accusing a whole community of "moving the goalpost" makes no sense, there is a whole host of arguments and points being made in different directions all the time, by different individuals.
        firesteelrain 3mo ago

by afavour 3mo ago

firesteelrain 3mo ago

> The objection isn’t to the language. It’s to Claude using a version of Bun that is not available to us. I was responding to your GP comment. For weeks, it was uproar over the blanket AI move to Rust and now it’s this reason. That’s why I said the goalposts are being moved.

afavour 3mo ago
That seems illogical to me. We’re only allowed to have one objection to a project and once that’s used up we can’t air another? FWIW I don’t think people have forgotten the original objection either!
- firesteelrain 3mo ago
  You can; it feels contrived and very social justice warrior/anti Anthropic (which on HN is in of itself almost a meme now). The main reason was because of the blanket AI move which I could understand.
  - afavour 3mo ago
    I think your perception of events is pretty heavily affected by personal bias here. Objecting to a hasty AI rewrite of an entire runtime and objecting to violating the spirit of FOSS is “very social justice warrior”? What?
    - firesteelrain 3mo ago
      Please re read your original comment. AI rewrite is one thing and objecting to FOSS/non FOSS is a new argument, anti-Anthropic etc is moving the goal posts. The main argument was the blanket rewrite to Rust using Claude. Now, /you/ are trying to move the goalposts into an entirely different argument. Very likely it’s just anti Anthropic altogether. Like I said, a meme. Anthropic hasn’t done anything wrong but if they move a single inch then people will complain. Perhaps it is just a preview version?
      - afavour 3mo ago
        Airing two entirely separate objections to a project is not “moving the goalposts”. The original objection still stands! You’re using a phrase you’ve heard in an inappropriate context. I’m sorry but this is a nonsensical debate. > Now, /you/ are trying to move the goalposts into an entirely different argument. You said something and I responded to it. That’s invalid too now? There can only ever be one single objection in a conversation? I’m not permitted to react to the things said? Like I said, nonsense.
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        firesteelrain 3mo ago
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  - NewsaHackO 3mo ago
    People are now saying poor communication because the Bun creator was not able to see the future and didn’t immediately flag his draft rewrite as the next big thing when he started working on it.
embedding-shape 3mo ago
> For weeks, it was uproar over the blanket AI move to Rust and now it’s this reason. That’s why I said the goalposts are being moved. I'm just one person though, and have no problem with a move to language X, using tool Y, who cares? For "goalpost are being moved" to be valid here, you have to be able to point to someone saying one thing at one point, then same person putting a different target later. You're folding a huge group of people into one person, when that's not really accurate to do.
- firesteelrain 3mo ago
  https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48843352 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48843352 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48837877 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48837877
  - embedding-shape 3mo ago
    Your point being? None of my comments in either of those state that I'm upset about it moving from Zig to Rust?
    - firesteelrain 3mo ago
      I wasn’t referring to you and rather the general sentiment. Hence, goal posts have been moved again comment.
      - embedding-shape 3mo ago
        My overall larger point (maybe poorly stated) was that unless you're engaged specifically in a 1-on-1 conversation with someone, accusing a whole community of "moving the goalpost" makes no sense, there is a whole host of arguments and points being made in different directions all the time, by different individuals.
        firesteelrain 3mo ago