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Motion Sensors and Home Security Gadgets Without Cameras

54 points by joozio 3mo ago

walrus01 3mo ago
Looks like blogspam, outbound links to each product include an affiliate ID commission link. I would recommend investigating zwave800 based combination human presence sensors (motion sensors) which also include temperature, humidity, light detection. https://www.thesmartesthouse.com/collections/best-z-wave-sensors/products/zooz-z-wave-plus-q-sensor-zse11-motion-temp-humidity-light?variant=41149307781183 https://www.thesmartesthouse.com/collections/best-z-wave-sen... Or just more basic human presence sensors https://sonoff.tech/products/sonoff-zigbee-human-presence-sensor-snzb-06p https://sonoff.tech/products/sonoff-zigbee-human-presence-se...
- taylor-tg 3mo ago
  I agree that Z-Wave products are top tier. As well as SONOFF, but the particular model you linked has decidedly been one of the worst mmWave sensors in the general options available by any manufacturer. No idea why, but they never report presence or lux properly. If one doesn't want to invest in Z-Wave I'd say grab some of the Aqara FP1/FP2 sensors. The FP2 gives you full room zone presence detection, so you can put it in your kitchen/dining room and set up predefined areas and it'll expose those as their own presence zones. If you don't need that level of granularity, the generic Tuya mmWave sensors on Amazon, or elsewhere, are a solid option. Super discrete, plenty of tuning parameters, and good smart home platform integration. I prefer the ZigBee ones because the WiFi ones can be a little noisy on your LAN (traffic not interference).
  - windexh8er 3mo ago
    One of the best ZWave mmWave sensors on the market is the Everything Presence Pro [0]. It has 3 motion sensors on board: DFRobot SEN0609 mmWave, HiLink LD2450 mmWave and Panasonic EKMC1603111 PIR. It has way more than this but the package is truly one of the best combinations of sensors and software. The sensor can do multi-target tracking and the HomeAssistant tuning software to define zones is next level compared to more popular sensors from places like Apollo. And I do like Apollo gear, I own a lot of it, but the quality and execution of the EST products is on a different tier of build quality for the price. Apollo just feels cheap in comparison and the reliability and accuracy of the sensors just isn't quite there, and to their credit they keep getting better. That being said they have a long way to go to catch up to EST. For true pro level installs the Everything Presence Pro is awesome, especially because of the 802.3af support. For battery installs the Everything Presence Lite [1] is also amazing. It only has the LD2450 is still really good and has multi-target tracking as well, but definitely won't support large spaces like the Pro. I hate to even recommend EST because they're always hard to get based on lack of availability. But, you can't go wrong with those two sensors. And, yes, most of the options listed in the article are garbage unless you're looking for one off options. I'm not a fan of the Aqara gear as they've had some funky limitations on the software side and I've not had good results even compared to the Apollo [2] gear. [0] https://shop.everythingsmart.io/products/everything-presence-pro https://shop.everythingsmart.io/products/everything-presence... [1] https://shop.everythingsmart.io/products/everything-presence-lite https://shop.everythingsmart.io/products/everything-presence... [2] https://apolloautomation.com/collections/sensors https://apolloautomation.com/collections/sensors
mft_ 3mo ago
Alternatively, if someone wants cameras (say, for monitoring of a property) but without a subscription or privacy concerns, does anyone have a recommendation?
- dopamean 3mo ago
  I've been looking into UniFi (Ubiquiti) and it seems like a decent option.
- taylor-tg 3mo ago
  I've had really great success with the TP-Link Tapo cameras. I have a number of their models, and they're all rock solid. Both in build, and image quality. What drew me to them is that they have RTSP (and ONVIF for their PTZ models) built in, so you're not beholden to their app. I use them paired with Frigate, but they also all include an SD card slot for local recording. They have on-camera detection for people, pets, cars, etc. No obligation to use their cloud services (I have them on an IoT VLAN with internet access disabled, and have never had an issue). If you're not using your own NVR then you'll probably have to keep them internet accessible for remote viewing. Cameras have been in the Texas elements for a few years now and the streams look like they did brand new. I'd say my only complaint about them is that the mounts are oddly designed, but perfectly usable as is. 3D printing largely makes that a non-issue, though.
- walrus01 3mo ago
  Reolink cameras, but don't give them access to the internet, you can run a local ntp server for time sync Frigate for video recording, even if you use none of the GPU based object detection features it does a fine job of recording and live view from a browser. The machine running frigate may need to be some kind of private VPN client for remote access depending on how your ISP is setup. Frigate will really work with a huge selection of random h264 rtsp stream cameras. You can use a mix of high end high quality expensive cameras and cheap ones to monitor less important spots. Reolink doorbell camera will work natively in frigate with bidirectional audio via html5/webrtc in a browser to listen and talk to people.
  - 3mo ago
boguscoder 3mo ago
Post kinda accidentally gives away why most/many people long for cameras - price. Pretty much every single amazon link is more expensive than plug’n’play Tapo camera and for many the security/privacy question remains secondary
bobchadwick 3mo ago
Another option, which is ESP32-based: https://github.com/francescopace/espectre https://github.com/francescopace/espectre
dadadad100 3mo ago
They missed that IKEA has just released a new smart home suite including a motion/light sensor for $9.99 [1]. Full thread/matter support and some also have zigbee to maintain backwards compatibility to legacy IKEA stuff. I’m migrating from my zigbee stuff bridged through home assistant to HomeKit. Now I have thread to HomeKit directly [1] https://www.ikea.com/us/en/p/myggspray-wireless-motion-sensor-smart-80619451/ https://www.ikea.com/us/en/p/myggspray-wireless-motion-senso...
- tonoto 3mo ago
  I get that it is a cheaper solution, but how pleased are you with responsiveness and reliability of the IKEA stuff?
  - avgDev 3mo ago
    Their auto blinds were awful. Original warranty was 10 years, they were so unreliable they shortened the warranty and after replacing 2 of my blind told me this is it. So when my blind goes bad again I'm going to have to fight with the manager.
  - dadadad100 3mo ago
    Based on two days with the motion sensor the responsiveness feels very good. The reduction in hops may be the key there. It’s too early to tell about the connection reliability but I’ve been using IKEA zigbee stuff for years with no issues. The build quality of the sensor and their new switches is very high.
  - pickdan 3mo ago
    I recently tested all the IKEA matter devices, and running the latest firmware I find that the latency on the motion sensor is quite high and the detection range significantly changes based on the orientation of the sensor which is unusual. Overall the devices are good value, but I'd avoid the motion sensor at the moment.
- micromacrofoot 3mo ago
  Keep in mind that often motion sensing isn't what someone wants... great for hallways, doorways, and transitional space where someone is expected to be moving, but not great if you're going to be sitting for a bit. Presence sensing is a little more expensive but has gotten a lot better (millimeter wave stuff), great for something like a bathroom or kitchen where you might be sitting for a while but still want the lights on.
Johnny555 3mo ago
>This radar system is ideal for protecting larger properties, with its range of up to half a mile and adjustable detection zone. It’s old school: With no Wi-Fi or app needed, you simply turn on the receiver and pair the detector. It then sounds an alarm whenever a person or animal moves into the area This doesn't sound that useful without a camera unless you're using it in an indoor space where you know animals aren't going to trip it. Otherwise, what do you do when you get an alert at 3am and you don't know if it's a racoon or a burglar?
mzincali 3mo ago
Hi. We make the Kini referenced in that Wired article. If you have any questions, I'll be happy to answer them.
ButlerianJihad 3mo ago
So, I had a chat with my landlady about this. I rent an apartment that can't be substantially modified, and we really can't put anything outside that is noticeable. Something that has driven me rather crazy is that I cannot see my doorstep. I cannot really see it from the front window; I definitely can't see it from the peephole in the front door; I definitely can't see it if I'm not home. The only way to see if an object is sitting at my door, is if I go and open the door. So that set up a quandary for me, as receiving package deliveries, or groceries or whatever, can be troublesome, because those delivery services just aren't into notifying someone that delivery is complete (the further away they are, the noisier the notifications!) It would've been great to monitor my doorstep remotely, and know if someone put something there. So I looked into Ring and into Nest/Google Home. They literally have nothing except the cameras. A compatible, under-mat sensor is simply not a thing for consumers (was discontinued at best.) For some reason, we consumers are not allowed to have a weight-sensing mat for outdoor use. Since I live in high-density housing, a motion-sensing camera would be stupid. It'd be triggering dozens of time every day. Also looking directly into the pool area, and I'm not excited to "surveil" my neighbors: I just wanna know about deliveries! I think the best I can do is some sort of "corner mirror" mounted near my front window. That won't permit remote monitoring, though.
mike2872 3mo ago
There are also TOMMY (https://tommysense.com https://tommysense.com) and ESPectre (https://espectre.dev/ https://espectre.dev/) in addition to the options listed under 'Smart Light Sensing' which are more Home Assistant oriented wi-fi sensing solutions.

54 points by joozio 3mo ago

Looks like blogspam, outbound links to each product include an affiliate ID commission link. I would recommend investigating zwave800 based combination human presence sensors (motion sensors) which also include temperature, humidity, light detection. https://www.thesmartesthouse.com/collections/best-z-wave-sensors/products/zooz-z-wave-plus-q-sensor-zse11-motion-temp-humidity-light?variant=41149307781183 https://www.thesmartesthouse.com/collections/best-z-wave-sen... Or just more basic human presence sensors https://sonoff.tech/products/sonoff-zigbee-human-presence-sensor-snzb-06p https://sonoff.tech/products/sonoff-zigbee-human-presence-se...

taylor-tg 3mo ago
I agree that Z-Wave products are top tier. As well as SONOFF, but the particular model you linked has decidedly been one of the worst mmWave sensors in the general options available by any manufacturer. No idea why, but they never report presence or lux properly. If one doesn't want to invest in Z-Wave I'd say grab some of the Aqara FP1/FP2 sensors. The FP2 gives you full room zone presence detection, so you can put it in your kitchen/dining room and set up predefined areas and it'll expose those as their own presence zones. If you don't need that level of granularity, the generic Tuya mmWave sensors on Amazon, or elsewhere, are a solid option. Super discrete, plenty of tuning parameters, and good smart home platform integration. I prefer the ZigBee ones because the WiFi ones can be a little noisy on your LAN (traffic not interference).
- windexh8er 3mo ago
  One of the best ZWave mmWave sensors on the market is the Everything Presence Pro [0]. It has 3 motion sensors on board: DFRobot SEN0609 mmWave, HiLink LD2450 mmWave and Panasonic EKMC1603111 PIR. It has way more than this but the package is truly one of the best combinations of sensors and software. The sensor can do multi-target tracking and the HomeAssistant tuning software to define zones is next level compared to more popular sensors from places like Apollo. And I do like Apollo gear, I own a lot of it, but the quality and execution of the EST products is on a different tier of build quality for the price. Apollo just feels cheap in comparison and the reliability and accuracy of the sensors just isn't quite there, and to their credit they keep getting better. That being said they have a long way to go to catch up to EST. For true pro level installs the Everything Presence Pro is awesome, especially because of the 802.3af support. For battery installs the Everything Presence Lite [1] is also amazing. It only has the LD2450 is still really good and has multi-target tracking as well, but definitely won't support large spaces like the Pro. I hate to even recommend EST because they're always hard to get based on lack of availability. But, you can't go wrong with those two sensors. And, yes, most of the options listed in the article are garbage unless you're looking for one off options. I'm not a fan of the Aqara gear as they've had some funky limitations on the software side and I've not had good results even compared to the Apollo [2] gear. [0] https://shop.everythingsmart.io/products/everything-presence-pro https://shop.everythingsmart.io/products/everything-presence... [1] https://shop.everythingsmart.io/products/everything-presence-lite https://shop.everythingsmart.io/products/everything-presence... [2] https://apolloautomation.com/collections/sensors https://apolloautomation.com/collections/sensors

mft_ 3mo ago

Alternatively, if someone wants cameras (say, for monitoring of a property) but without a subscription or privacy concerns, does anyone have a recommendation?

dopamean 3mo ago
I've been looking into UniFi (Ubiquiti) and it seems like a decent option.
taylor-tg 3mo ago
I've had really great success with the TP-Link Tapo cameras. I have a number of their models, and they're all rock solid. Both in build, and image quality. What drew me to them is that they have RTSP (and ONVIF for their PTZ models) built in, so you're not beholden to their app. I use them paired with Frigate, but they also all include an SD card slot for local recording. They have on-camera detection for people, pets, cars, etc. No obligation to use their cloud services (I have them on an IoT VLAN with internet access disabled, and have never had an issue). If you're not using your own NVR then you'll probably have to keep them internet accessible for remote viewing. Cameras have been in the Texas elements for a few years now and the streams look like they did brand new. I'd say my only complaint about them is that the mounts are oddly designed, but perfectly usable as is. 3D printing largely makes that a non-issue, though.
walrus01 3mo ago
Reolink cameras, but don't give them access to the internet, you can run a local ntp server for time sync Frigate for video recording, even if you use none of the GPU based object detection features it does a fine job of recording and live view from a browser. The machine running frigate may need to be some kind of private VPN client for remote access depending on how your ISP is setup. Frigate will really work with a huge selection of random h264 rtsp stream cameras. You can use a mix of high end high quality expensive cameras and cheap ones to monitor less important spots. Reolink doorbell camera will work natively in frigate with bidirectional audio via html5/webrtc in a browser to listen and talk to people.
- 3mo ago

boguscoder 3mo ago

Post kinda accidentally gives away why most/many people long for cameras - price. Pretty much every single amazon link is more expensive than plug’n’play Tapo camera and for many the security/privacy question remains secondary

bobchadwick 3mo ago

Another option, which is ESP32-based: https://github.com/francescopace/espectre https://github.com/francescopace/espectre

dadadad100 3mo ago

They missed that IKEA has just released a new smart home suite including a motion/light sensor for $9.99 [1]. Full thread/matter support and some also have zigbee to maintain backwards compatibility to legacy IKEA stuff. I’m migrating from my zigbee stuff bridged through home assistant to HomeKit. Now I have thread to HomeKit directly [1] https://www.ikea.com/us/en/p/myggspray-wireless-motion-sensor-smart-80619451/ https://www.ikea.com/us/en/p/myggspray-wireless-motion-senso...

tonoto 3mo ago
I get that it is a cheaper solution, but how pleased are you with responsiveness and reliability of the IKEA stuff?
- avgDev 3mo ago
  Their auto blinds were awful. Original warranty was 10 years, they were so unreliable they shortened the warranty and after replacing 2 of my blind told me this is it. So when my blind goes bad again I'm going to have to fight with the manager.
- dadadad100 3mo ago
  Based on two days with the motion sensor the responsiveness feels very good. The reduction in hops may be the key there. It’s too early to tell about the connection reliability but I’ve been using IKEA zigbee stuff for years with no issues. The build quality of the sensor and their new switches is very high.
- pickdan 3mo ago
  I recently tested all the IKEA matter devices, and running the latest firmware I find that the latency on the motion sensor is quite high and the detection range significantly changes based on the orientation of the sensor which is unusual. Overall the devices are good value, but I'd avoid the motion sensor at the moment.
micromacrofoot 3mo ago
Keep in mind that often motion sensing isn't what someone wants... great for hallways, doorways, and transitional space where someone is expected to be moving, but not great if you're going to be sitting for a bit. Presence sensing is a little more expensive but has gotten a lot better (millimeter wave stuff), great for something like a bathroom or kitchen where you might be sitting for a while but still want the lights on.

Johnny555 3mo ago

>This radar system is ideal for protecting larger properties, with its range of up to half a mile and adjustable detection zone. It’s old school: With no Wi-Fi or app needed, you simply turn on the receiver and pair the detector. It then sounds an alarm whenever a person or animal moves into the area This doesn't sound that useful without a camera unless you're using it in an indoor space where you know animals aren't going to trip it. Otherwise, what do you do when you get an alert at 3am and you don't know if it's a racoon or a burglar?

mzincali 3mo ago

Hi. We make the Kini referenced in that Wired article. If you have any questions, I'll be happy to answer them.

ButlerianJihad 3mo ago

So, I had a chat with my landlady about this. I rent an apartment that can't be substantially modified, and we really can't put anything outside that is noticeable. Something that has driven me rather crazy is that I cannot see my doorstep. I cannot really see it from the front window; I definitely can't see it from the peephole in the front door; I definitely can't see it if I'm not home. The only way to see if an object is sitting at my door, is if I go and open the door. So that set up a quandary for me, as receiving package deliveries, or groceries or whatever, can be troublesome, because those delivery services just aren't into notifying someone that delivery is complete (the further away they are, the noisier the notifications!) It would've been great to monitor my doorstep remotely, and know if someone put something there. So I looked into Ring and into Nest/Google Home. They literally have nothing except the cameras. A compatible, under-mat sensor is simply not a thing for consumers (was discontinued at best.) For some reason, we consumers are not allowed to have a weight-sensing mat for outdoor use. Since I live in high-density housing, a motion-sensing camera would be stupid. It'd be triggering dozens of time every day. Also looking directly into the pool area, and I'm not excited to "surveil" my neighbors: I just wanna know about deliveries! I think the best I can do is some sort of "corner mirror" mounted near my front window. That won't permit remote monitoring, though.

mike2872 3mo ago

There are also TOMMY (https://tommysense.com https://tommysense.com) and ESPectre (https://espectre.dev/ https://espectre.dev/) in addition to the options listed under 'Smart Light Sensing' which are more Home Assistant oriented wi-fi sensing solutions.