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>Didn't they bring hundreds of millions out of poverty, and built amazing cities and facilities in the past 30 years? So did the western world. Ask Poland, th

>Didn't they bring hundreds of millions out of poverty, and built amazing cities and facilities in the past 30 years? So did the western world. Ask Poland, the Baltics and East Germany if they want communism back. I'll wait. :) I am so tired of the praise of China online while condemning the west. Worst part is you probably live in the west. *Nono, dont reply, just downvote instead :)

kanbara 3mo ago
China is not Iron Curtain countries dominated by the USSR. to compare China to Poland has no merit. China has built high speed rail, a quality universal health care system, and huge tech and mfg sectors. It most certainly is orders of magnitude above East Germany, and not even the same type of socialism. There are good things about the West and good things about China, it’s not as simple as “our side good”.
- Scroll_Swe 3mo ago
  China is still a dictatorship who massacred its own people despite building high speed rail... They only got it good when the USA opened relations in the 80s something they never did with Soviet. China does not have universal health care. China helps Russia invade Ukraine. That is simple. Unless you like that too? Also, where do people want to live? North EU. Yet when we keep our lands people call us racist.
  - OtomotO 3mo ago
    And the US calls itself a democracy and kills innocent people abroad. I don't see any merit in these simplistic world views. The world isn't Lord of the Rings, it's more A Song Of Ice And Fire.
    - spunker540 3mo ago
      Can't a democracy vote and agree to kill innocent people abroad? Not sure those things are discordant.
      - lmz 3mo ago
        It can. Which probably justifies 9/11 if you see it that way.
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  - holoduke 3mo ago
    Are you serious? Who is killing thousands abroad and playing corrupt mobster mister policeman in the entire world? Or course China is supporting Russia. It's geopolitics. The west needs enlargement of their influence in Ukraine. Russia doesn't like this. A failing Russia means China is next. Hard to understand? And China does have universal affordable healthcare. Maybe, just maybe you should visit one of the large cities in China. You will be surprised how far ahead they are on so many areas. Infrastructure, cultural, government structures, schools, hospitals and more.
    - Scroll_Swe 3mo ago
      >The west needs enlargement of their influence in Ukraine Okay so you have swallowed the Russia and China propaganda fully. Yes, China has better living conditions now than 20 years ago. Ukraine is its own country since 1991 and on their own want to move closer to the west, NATO and EU. Russia invaded Ukraine as Putin is the one who want "enlargement of their influence" If you think above, how can you blame me in the west for opposing Russia and China? I live in Sweden, we have Kaliningrad with nukes right across us. We had Soviet submarines in our waters in the 80s. A fallen Ukraine means Russia and Putin and by extension China will invade the Baltics or Poland next. Hard to understand? Where do you live?
      - holoduke 3mo ago
        Ukraine is not an independent country. The entire culture is practically similar to the Russian one. Yes I have lived in Ukraine (Melitopol) for many years. This whole conflict is 100% caused by the west that tries to put a wig between the two nations. By bribing and buying up assets in Ukraine. Starting from around 2012 when western institutions installing puppets in various places. Government and commercial. Don't tell me this is somekind of crap conspiracy. We all know that the west performed these actions many times before. The west is not clean in this war. 100% responsible for this war, killings and destruction .
        Scroll_Swe 3mo ago
        >Ukraine is not an independent country They are. You are spouting Russian propaganda 100% how it's all the wests fault. Putin and Russia is the one 100% responsible. Cannot belive I read this on Hn but sadly more and more anti western, pro russia and pro palestine crap is here.
coldtea 3mo ago
>Ask Poland, the Baltics and East Germany if they want communism back. I'll wait. :) We could, but don't expect the results to be as clear cut as you think :) https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/homesick-for-a-dictatorship-majority-of-eastern-germans-feel-life-better-under-communism-a-634122.html https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/homesick-for-a-... https://www.economist.com/europe/2017/10/12/many-eastern-europeans-feel-nostalgia-for-the-communist-era https://www.economist.com/europe/2017/10/12/many-eastern-eur... https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2009/11/02/end-of-communism-cheered-but-now-with-more-reservations/ https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2009/11/02/end-of-communi... https://brnodaily.com/2023/11/20/news/poll-17-of-czechs-say-life-was-better-under-communism/ https://brnodaily.com/2023/11/20/news/poll-17-of-czechs-say-... https://english.radio.cz/poll-less-25-feel-better-now-under-communism-8357922 https://english.radio.cz/poll-less-25-feel-better-now-under-... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_nostalgia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_nostalgia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ostalgie https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ostalgie And of course 2026 China is the very opposite of some failing economy, like Eastern Bloc countries have been in 1989.
- oneshtein 3mo ago
  Many eastern europeans who had good life in soviet block have nostalgia, however, Ukraine fights with all it power to prevent returning back to soviet block, because majority have very unpleasant memories of soviet times and dozens of millions murdered by soviets.
  - orthoxerox 3mo ago
    Ukrainians were the Soviets. It's like Scotland complaining about British colonial policy.
    - graemep 3mo ago
      That is not a good analogy. Scotland voluntarily formed a union with the rest of the UK and played a disproportionate role in colonialism. Ireland would be a better one. The weakness in the GP's argument is that Russia is not the Soviet Union, nor is it communist.
jrowen 3mo ago
Did that comment indicate any condemnation of the west? What I'm tired of is zero-sum jingoistic nationalism of any kind. Can we just be happy for all of the world to prosper? edit: I didn't downvote you but it's probably the uncalled-for cynicism.
- faitswulff 3mo ago
  Nationalism is a cancer

kanbara 3mo ago

China is not Iron Curtain countries dominated by the USSR. to compare China to Poland has no merit. China has built high speed rail, a quality universal health care system, and huge tech and mfg sectors. It most certainly is orders of magnitude above East Germany, and not even the same type of socialism. There are good things about the West and good things about China, it’s not as simple as “our side good”.

Scroll_Swe 3mo ago
China is still a dictatorship who massacred its own people despite building high speed rail... They only got it good when the USA opened relations in the 80s something they never did with Soviet. China does not have universal health care. China helps Russia invade Ukraine. That is simple. Unless you like that too? Also, where do people want to live? North EU. Yet when we keep our lands people call us racist.
- OtomotO 3mo ago
  And the US calls itself a democracy and kills innocent people abroad. I don't see any merit in these simplistic world views. The world isn't Lord of the Rings, it's more A Song Of Ice And Fire.
  - spunker540 3mo ago
    Can't a democracy vote and agree to kill innocent people abroad? Not sure those things are discordant.
    - lmz 3mo ago
      It can. Which probably justifies 9/11 if you see it that way.
  - deleted 3mo ago
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- holoduke 3mo ago
  Are you serious? Who is killing thousands abroad and playing corrupt mobster mister policeman in the entire world? Or course China is supporting Russia. It's geopolitics. The west needs enlargement of their influence in Ukraine. Russia doesn't like this. A failing Russia means China is next. Hard to understand? And China does have universal affordable healthcare. Maybe, just maybe you should visit one of the large cities in China. You will be surprised how far ahead they are on so many areas. Infrastructure, cultural, government structures, schools, hospitals and more.
  - Scroll_Swe 3mo ago
    >The west needs enlargement of their influence in Ukraine Okay so you have swallowed the Russia and China propaganda fully. Yes, China has better living conditions now than 20 years ago. Ukraine is its own country since 1991 and on their own want to move closer to the west, NATO and EU. Russia invaded Ukraine as Putin is the one who want "enlargement of their influence" If you think above, how can you blame me in the west for opposing Russia and China? I live in Sweden, we have Kaliningrad with nukes right across us. We had Soviet submarines in our waters in the 80s. A fallen Ukraine means Russia and Putin and by extension China will invade the Baltics or Poland next. Hard to understand? Where do you live?
    - holoduke 3mo ago
      Ukraine is not an independent country. The entire culture is practically similar to the Russian one. Yes I have lived in Ukraine (Melitopol) for many years. This whole conflict is 100% caused by the west that tries to put a wig between the two nations. By bribing and buying up assets in Ukraine. Starting from around 2012 when western institutions installing puppets in various places. Government and commercial. Don't tell me this is somekind of crap conspiracy. We all know that the west performed these actions many times before. The west is not clean in this war. 100% responsible for this war, killings and destruction .
      - Scroll_Swe 3mo ago
        >Ukraine is not an independent country They are. You are spouting Russian propaganda 100% how it's all the wests fault. Putin and Russia is the one 100% responsible. Cannot belive I read this on Hn but sadly more and more anti western, pro russia and pro palestine crap is here.

coldtea 3mo ago

>Ask Poland, the Baltics and East Germany if they want communism back. I'll wait. :) We could, but don't expect the results to be as clear cut as you think :) https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/homesick-for-a-dictatorship-majority-of-eastern-germans-feel-life-better-under-communism-a-634122.html https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/homesick-for-a-... https://www.economist.com/europe/2017/10/12/many-eastern-europeans-feel-nostalgia-for-the-communist-era https://www.economist.com/europe/2017/10/12/many-eastern-eur... https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2009/11/02/end-of-communism-cheered-but-now-with-more-reservations/ https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2009/11/02/end-of-communi... https://brnodaily.com/2023/11/20/news/poll-17-of-czechs-say-life-was-better-under-communism/ https://brnodaily.com/2023/11/20/news/poll-17-of-czechs-say-... https://english.radio.cz/poll-less-25-feel-better-now-under-communism-8357922 https://english.radio.cz/poll-less-25-feel-better-now-under-... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_nostalgia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_nostalgia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ostalgie https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ostalgie And of course 2026 China is the very opposite of some failing economy, like Eastern Bloc countries have been in 1989.

oneshtein 3mo ago
Many eastern europeans who had good life in soviet block have nostalgia, however, Ukraine fights with all it power to prevent returning back to soviet block, because majority have very unpleasant memories of soviet times and dozens of millions murdered by soviets.
- orthoxerox 3mo ago
  Ukrainians were the Soviets. It's like Scotland complaining about British colonial policy.
  - graemep 3mo ago
    That is not a good analogy. Scotland voluntarily formed a union with the rest of the UK and played a disproportionate role in colonialism. Ireland would be a better one. The weakness in the GP's argument is that Russia is not the Soviet Union, nor is it communist.

jrowen 3mo ago

Did that comment indicate any condemnation of the west? What I'm tired of is zero-sum jingoistic nationalism of any kind. Can we just be happy for all of the world to prosper? edit: I didn't downvote you but it's probably the uncalled-for cynicism.

faitswulff 3mo ago
Nationalism is a cancer