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> to someone with rights to serve the contents Now THAT'S doing some heavy lifting lmao. The vast, vast, VAST majority of the original datasets were from pirat

> to someone with rights to serve the contents Now THAT'S doing some heavy lifting lmao. The vast, vast, VAST majority of the original datasets were from pirated books and the like. Also, arguably a robots.txt is the exact mechanism to follow to do the mass GET-ing, yet the AI cos choose time and time and time again to simply ignore it and be as abusive as they possibly fucking can

gpm 3mo ago
> The vast, vast, VAST majority of the original datasets were from pirated books and the like And there's been significant legal consequences as a result > Also, arguably a robots.txt is the exact mechanism to follow to do the mass GET-ing You're free to argue this of course, but the courts have largely rejected it already pre LLMs. See for example hiQ Labs v. LinkedIn
- fooblaster 3mo ago
  Yes, anthropic and openai have really been brought to their knees and ipos cancelled because of the legal consequences of obtaining their training data.
  - gpm 3mo ago
    This would have been a problem but it turns out that Anthropic is actually valued multiple orders of magnitude more than a copy of all the books in the world. So they survived the significant legal consequences.
    - socialcommenter 3mo ago
      In a just world, the punishment can be more than just the sum of the direct damages, otherwise there's no incentive to stop reoffending. Anthropic (and friends) proved they're willing to do obviously illegal things, and it didn't end them. Why do we think they stopped after doing it once?
      - gpm 3mo ago
        In this world too, the punishment was, ballpark, 100x direct damages.
        sensanaty 3mo ago
        > In this world too, the punishment was, ballpark, 100x direct damages. Which ballpark are you playing in to come to a number like that? I have friends whom are authors, and they've certainly not seen a penny from Anthropic. I somehow doubt they're the only ones out there that haven't been compensated for having their work blatantly stolen. In a just world we'd be ensuring Anthropic was destroyed as a result of their actions, since their entire existence hinged on en-masse piracy.
        gpm 3mo ago
        Anthropic paid (or is paying, not sure the schedule for class members receiving payouts) 3000 per work they were found to have infringed - 30 is a fair approximation of the cost to buy a book.
        socialcommenter 3mo ago
        And the typical book only sees 1 copy sold?
        gpm 3mo ago
        No, the damages however are the cost of a single book sale (actually just the profit from one) because the only thing that anthropic did that broke the law was pirate it instead of buying a copy (as found by the court...)
        stevenhuang 3mo ago
        In a just world, copyright should be abolished with extreme prejudice should it's continued existence prevent humanity from developing aligned artificial super intelligence.

gpm 3mo ago

> The vast, vast, VAST majority of the original datasets were from pirated books and the like And there's been significant legal consequences as a result > Also, arguably a robots.txt is the exact mechanism to follow to do the mass GET-ing You're free to argue this of course, but the courts have largely rejected it already pre LLMs. See for example hiQ Labs v. LinkedIn

fooblaster 3mo ago
Yes, anthropic and openai have really been brought to their knees and ipos cancelled because of the legal consequences of obtaining their training data.
- gpm 3mo ago
  This would have been a problem but it turns out that Anthropic is actually valued multiple orders of magnitude more than a copy of all the books in the world. So they survived the significant legal consequences.
  - socialcommenter 3mo ago
    In a just world, the punishment can be more than just the sum of the direct damages, otherwise there's no incentive to stop reoffending. Anthropic (and friends) proved they're willing to do obviously illegal things, and it didn't end them. Why do we think they stopped after doing it once?
    - gpm 3mo ago
      In this world too, the punishment was, ballpark, 100x direct damages.
      - sensanaty 3mo ago
        > In this world too, the punishment was, ballpark, 100x direct damages. Which ballpark are you playing in to come to a number like that? I have friends whom are authors, and they've certainly not seen a penny from Anthropic. I somehow doubt they're the only ones out there that haven't been compensated for having their work blatantly stolen. In a just world we'd be ensuring Anthropic was destroyed as a result of their actions, since their entire existence hinged on en-masse piracy.
        gpm 3mo ago
        Anthropic paid (or is paying, not sure the schedule for class members receiving payouts) 3000 per work they were found to have infringed - 30 is a fair approximation of the cost to buy a book.
        socialcommenter 3mo ago
        And the typical book only sees 1 copy sold?
        gpm 3mo ago
        No, the damages however are the cost of a single book sale (actually just the profit from one) because the only thing that anthropic did that broke the law was pirate it instead of buying a copy (as found by the court...)
        stevenhuang 3mo ago
        In a just world, copyright should be abolished with extreme prejudice should it's continued existence prevent humanity from developing aligned artificial super intelligence.