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> western governments Are you talking about the US, specifically? Why would other countries, that don't share the same anxiety about China as the US, would be

> western governments Are you talking about the US, specifically? Why would other countries, that don't share the same anxiety about China as the US, would be troubled with the this?

dgellow 3mo ago
The US might pressure them?
- Danox 3mo ago
  Those days are gone. Look no further than the occupant in the White House. IE the Swedish jet industry is about to get bigger, future drone expertise, if the Ukraine can hold on if you want to learn the ins and outs, you don’t need the United States. If you’re serious about learning and building drones. It’s going to be a different world, a world where many former allies are not gonna look to the United States first they can no longer afford to.
  - dgellow 3mo ago
    It’s not gone yet, the US is still a bully with a lot of power and with access to quite a lot of levers to pressure other actors. Actually, our (Europe) weak response to US aggression and threats has been disappointing so far. We will see how that evolves, the EU is slow to react
- surgical_fire 3mo ago
  Not sure if you noticed, European countries are distancing themselves from the US. They couldn't be pressured to offer logistic support to the US shitshow in Iran, why would they be pressured to help the US in its protectionism of its AI bubble?
  - dgellow 3mo ago
    Im aware, I’m in Europe… The US is still a bully and I would expect to be very likely to pressure other countries, even if the influence reduced. But you will notice that I used a conditional in my comment, to soften it
- t0mpr1c3 3mo ago
  EU countries are homeshoring their digital stacks as fast as they possibly can, and the reason is precisely because of the pressure that the US government is exerting via its (temporary) dominance in technology.
  - dgellow 3mo ago
    That’s really something that has to be seen, we (European countries) talk a lot about sovereign software but have very little to show for it. Things are moving but it’s still mostly a political posturing more than anything else. Might be different in a few years
    - t0mpr1c3 3mo ago
      Presumably the first step is changing the perception that US service providers are the only options. I dislike the term "sovereign software" because it collapses every aspect of the discussion. It is intentionally dumb, a slogan. But now that politicians have waved their slogan around, perhaps some actions can be taken.
- anigbrowl 3mo ago
  US pressure is worth a lot less than it used to be; that's why other developed countries are urgently prioritizing digital sovereignty after years of technological sclerosis where they were happy to run on US-managed cloud infrastructure. It's not just the tariffs and imperialist/autocratic aspirations of the current President; it's also the fecklessness of the federal legislature and the revelation via social media that a large cohort of the public hold a negative-sum worldview and enthusiastically endorse bad faith dealing.
  - dgellow 3mo ago
    It’s worth less, unfortunately the country is still the most powerful military and economical actor in the world, and still has a lot of influence
montroser 3mo ago
Well, many EU countries like Italy and Germany officially freaked out about DeepSeek, ordering it to be banned from app stores etc.
- surgical_fire 3mo ago
  That's about the mobile apps specifically, and it is related to personal data of EU citizens being transferred to servers in China. It has nothing to do with running open models, especially in hardware within Europe.
rsync 3mo ago
"Why would other countries, that don't share the same anxiety about China as the US, would be troubled with the this?" It's the other way around. There is a high likelihood that many countries of the "west" (the "global north"?) will outlaw, restrict, or otherwise control LLMs and the tools that enable them. The US, however, is blessed with the first amendment which makes it extremely difficult to restrain speech in any form - including code.
- gmerc 3mo ago
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- owebmaster 3mo ago
  It wasn't difficult for the US to restrict TikTok (or BYD, Huawei, DJI...)
  - shimman 3mo ago
    And we saw how easily the US political class capitulated once Americans started complaining.
- wiether 3mo ago
  > There is a high likelihood that many countries of the "west" (the "global north"?) will outlaw, restrict, or otherwise control LLMs and the tools that enable them. Why? Based on what? I've seen absolutely no indication of this. Only the US are playing this game atm.

> western governments Are you talking about the US, specifically? Why would other countries, that don't share the same anxiety about China as the US, would be troubled with the this?

dgellow 3mo ago

The US might pressure them?

Danox 3mo ago
Those days are gone. Look no further than the occupant in the White House. IE the Swedish jet industry is about to get bigger, future drone expertise, if the Ukraine can hold on if you want to learn the ins and outs, you don’t need the United States. If you’re serious about learning and building drones. It’s going to be a different world, a world where many former allies are not gonna look to the United States first they can no longer afford to.
- dgellow 3mo ago
  It’s not gone yet, the US is still a bully with a lot of power and with access to quite a lot of levers to pressure other actors. Actually, our (Europe) weak response to US aggression and threats has been disappointing so far. We will see how that evolves, the EU is slow to react
surgical_fire 3mo ago
Not sure if you noticed, European countries are distancing themselves from the US. They couldn't be pressured to offer logistic support to the US shitshow in Iran, why would they be pressured to help the US in its protectionism of its AI bubble?
- dgellow 3mo ago
  Im aware, I’m in Europe… The US is still a bully and I would expect to be very likely to pressure other countries, even if the influence reduced. But you will notice that I used a conditional in my comment, to soften it
t0mpr1c3 3mo ago
EU countries are homeshoring their digital stacks as fast as they possibly can, and the reason is precisely because of the pressure that the US government is exerting via its (temporary) dominance in technology.
- dgellow 3mo ago
  That’s really something that has to be seen, we (European countries) talk a lot about sovereign software but have very little to show for it. Things are moving but it’s still mostly a political posturing more than anything else. Might be different in a few years
  - t0mpr1c3 3mo ago
    Presumably the first step is changing the perception that US service providers are the only options. I dislike the term "sovereign software" because it collapses every aspect of the discussion. It is intentionally dumb, a slogan. But now that politicians have waved their slogan around, perhaps some actions can be taken.
anigbrowl 3mo ago
US pressure is worth a lot less than it used to be; that's why other developed countries are urgently prioritizing digital sovereignty after years of technological sclerosis where they were happy to run on US-managed cloud infrastructure. It's not just the tariffs and imperialist/autocratic aspirations of the current President; it's also the fecklessness of the federal legislature and the revelation via social media that a large cohort of the public hold a negative-sum worldview and enthusiastically endorse bad faith dealing.
- dgellow 3mo ago
  It’s worth less, unfortunately the country is still the most powerful military and economical actor in the world, and still has a lot of influence

montroser 3mo ago

Well, many EU countries like Italy and Germany officially freaked out about DeepSeek, ordering it to be banned from app stores etc.

surgical_fire 3mo ago
That's about the mobile apps specifically, and it is related to personal data of EU citizens being transferred to servers in China. It has nothing to do with running open models, especially in hardware within Europe.

rsync 3mo ago

"Why would other countries, that don't share the same anxiety about China as the US, would be troubled with the this?" It's the other way around. There is a high likelihood that many countries of the "west" (the "global north"?) will outlaw, restrict, or otherwise control LLMs and the tools that enable them. The US, however, is blessed with the first amendment which makes it extremely difficult to restrain speech in any form - including code.

gmerc 3mo ago
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owebmaster 3mo ago
It wasn't difficult for the US to restrict TikTok (or BYD, Huawei, DJI...)
- shimman 3mo ago
  And we saw how easily the US political class capitulated once Americans started complaining.
wiether 3mo ago
> There is a high likelihood that many countries of the "west" (the "global north"?) will outlaw, restrict, or otherwise control LLMs and the tools that enable them. Why? Based on what? I've seen absolutely no indication of this. Only the US are playing this game atm.