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This is utopian friend! Literally anything you wanted to make is no plausible to make if not now then in the next couple years. The thing you’re worried about

This is utopian friend! Literally anything you wanted to make is no plausible to make if not now then in the next couple years. The thing you’re worried about is capitalism and the connection with working to having the right to keep living. If you can throw off that mental shackle you can start to see how this can be amazing, but you have to drop the idea that everyone has to work at a job for someone else to provide some service in order to do it. It’s hard, I know, but change your mindset some and dream for a better world and we can make it.

WarmWash 3mo ago
You ever play a video game with god mode cheats enabled, so you can unlock all the unlocks, get all the best gear, and be an unstoppable force with unlimited money? Yeah, it's fun for 30 minutes.
- nilamo 3mo ago
  On the other hand, exploring any of your interests without needing to calculate how it can cover rent means you have more time and opportunities to actually do things you're interested in. Working all day, then not wanting to do much else after because you're tired, is also fun for all of 30 minutes.
  - piloto_ciego 3mo ago
    Right!? Like imagine we could use this stuff to solve world hunger, develop robots to clean up the oceans, or colonize space? People are all “shucks how am I going to be able to justify my career at $job” and are missing the bigger opportunity. Such a lack of imagination I see…
    - dudul 3mo ago
      There is no lack of imagination here, there is realism. You think you display "imagination" by just regurgitating all the tired tropes of old science fiction? Oh wow! Robots to clean the ocean! How novel! Nobody has ever thought about this! The reality is nobody is going to build robots to clean the ocean because there is no money to be made. There will be robots to clean rich people's pools, sure. And it will put pool boys out of a job, great.
      - piloto_ciego 3mo ago
        I can see (given that you've responded to a few of my points here), that you care about this enough to respond. What if money wasn't a thing? What if that wasn't the only incentive in the economy? What if there were other ways to balance supply and demand curves (which is basically the principle use for money) so we could reduce shortages, etc. Dream big man, I'm serious! And who cares if there is no money to be made? Like, what are you (individually you) doing to create the world you want to live in? What world do you even want to live in?
      - yieldcrv 3mo ago
        "let's slow everything down because we haven't figured out the resource appropriation aspect, yet" there will always be disruption and frictions, 頑張ってください
- sashank_1509 3mo ago
  Exactly, a lot of people keep attacking me as anxiety for losing my livelihood. It’s not that. It’s just depression that another avenue for human craftsmanship has been taken over by the machines. Humans are not just infinite consumers. If AI solves all of humanity problems, it’s like living in a zoo, not a life worth living imo.
  - piloto_ciego 3mo ago
    This has always been the case though that "another avenue of human craftsmanship has been taken over by the machines." It's good if we can have robots building things instead of having humans slumped over a workbench in a sweatshop piecing things together. It's good if we can have LLMs spitting out code rather than CS grads working 15 hour days at fintech startups or whatever. The conditions were never (ever) good before. And, it won't be like a zoo - you'll be able to go wherever you want, do more or less whatever you want. Think about living in The Culture, or the Star Trek universe or whatever. There are options beyond "I'm a pet to the machines." Think big, dream big, then help make it a reality! Like, out in space you're still going to need a human to make decisions because you can't wait 30min for the tight-beam signal to get back to earth. Also, we're pretty good at soaking up rads and still being "useful" - at least so far I don't see that being a major advantage to the robots. Maybe our place is to be the deep space mechanics that keep the robots alive? I don't know, regardless, you should dream big. What kind of world do you want to live in? Ok, how do we make that world happen? My big (somewhat unspoken and somewhat immature dream) is that advances in regenerative health tech fix my optic nerves and I can get into the cockpit again one day, then maybe later I can fly some space vehicle like I wanted to since I was a 12 year old. Immature I know, but I miss flying still. Is that world possible without AI? Probably/maybe? But it's a lot more plausible in a world where we have folded every protein, we have robot surgeons doing robotic procedures, AI generated research, etc.
    - dudul 3mo ago
      I admire the naivety. I'm sure CS grads are delighted...
- vanuatu 3mo ago
  I play the game for a manufactured challenge People in the real world all having god mode cheats is good, actually
  - piloto_ciego 3mo ago
    yeah! Like can you imagine a world where you could just effectively "conjure" new furniture for your house and robots would assemble it in a few hours? Or molecular assemblers would grow it while you slept? Or imagine a world where we could basically cure every disease? Or a world where people could assume any form factor that they wanted? I don't know, the list goes on and on in a post-scarcity world... and we're seeing how we basically live in a sort of digital post-scarcity now and it is really cool. If I need a software tool these days I don't buy it, I tend to see if I can make it. Now imagine that for physical things? What a time to be alive.
    - WarmWash 3mo ago
      The rub is that we already live in that world relative to people who lived 1000 year ago, and yet somehow we aren't bursting with euphoria 24/7. We also have humans who essentially live post scarcity lives on the back of a monetary windfall, yet their stories are strangely quite often depressing ones. I think their is good reason to believe most human desires are illusions.
paytonjjones 3mo ago
People like being needed and important to other people. That isn't some artifact of capitalism; it exists across all times and cultures.
- piloto_ciego 3mo ago
  Sure, but it is certainly magnified when you need to make money to justify your right to exist.
dudul 3mo ago
If anything one wants to make is now possible to make, how is anyone supposed to make a living? Can I make food with LLMs? Can I build a house and make clothes? This is stupid. No real wealth is being created for the general population here.
- piloto_ciego 3mo ago
  I literally have had various LLMs generate 3d printable plans for things I have used. Also, I am literally making a living right now being something between a dev and SME and building tools for people in an industry I’m familiar with. Dream bigger buddy! We can make the world better, we’re not powerless here.

WarmWash 3mo ago

You ever play a video game with god mode cheats enabled, so you can unlock all the unlocks, get all the best gear, and be an unstoppable force with unlimited money? Yeah, it's fun for 30 minutes.

nilamo 3mo ago
On the other hand, exploring any of your interests without needing to calculate how it can cover rent means you have more time and opportunities to actually do things you're interested in. Working all day, then not wanting to do much else after because you're tired, is also fun for all of 30 minutes.
- piloto_ciego 3mo ago
  Right!? Like imagine we could use this stuff to solve world hunger, develop robots to clean up the oceans, or colonize space? People are all “shucks how am I going to be able to justify my career at $job” and are missing the bigger opportunity. Such a lack of imagination I see…
  - dudul 3mo ago
    There is no lack of imagination here, there is realism. You think you display "imagination" by just regurgitating all the tired tropes of old science fiction? Oh wow! Robots to clean the ocean! How novel! Nobody has ever thought about this! The reality is nobody is going to build robots to clean the ocean because there is no money to be made. There will be robots to clean rich people's pools, sure. And it will put pool boys out of a job, great.
    - piloto_ciego 3mo ago
      I can see (given that you've responded to a few of my points here), that you care about this enough to respond. What if money wasn't a thing? What if that wasn't the only incentive in the economy? What if there were other ways to balance supply and demand curves (which is basically the principle use for money) so we could reduce shortages, etc. Dream big man, I'm serious! And who cares if there is no money to be made? Like, what are you (individually you) doing to create the world you want to live in? What world do you even want to live in?
    - yieldcrv 3mo ago
      "let's slow everything down because we haven't figured out the resource appropriation aspect, yet" there will always be disruption and frictions, 頑張ってください
sashank_1509 3mo ago
Exactly, a lot of people keep attacking me as anxiety for losing my livelihood. It’s not that. It’s just depression that another avenue for human craftsmanship has been taken over by the machines. Humans are not just infinite consumers. If AI solves all of humanity problems, it’s like living in a zoo, not a life worth living imo.
- piloto_ciego 3mo ago
  This has always been the case though that "another avenue of human craftsmanship has been taken over by the machines." It's good if we can have robots building things instead of having humans slumped over a workbench in a sweatshop piecing things together. It's good if we can have LLMs spitting out code rather than CS grads working 15 hour days at fintech startups or whatever. The conditions were never (ever) good before. And, it won't be like a zoo - you'll be able to go wherever you want, do more or less whatever you want. Think about living in The Culture, or the Star Trek universe or whatever. There are options beyond "I'm a pet to the machines." Think big, dream big, then help make it a reality! Like, out in space you're still going to need a human to make decisions because you can't wait 30min for the tight-beam signal to get back to earth. Also, we're pretty good at soaking up rads and still being "useful" - at least so far I don't see that being a major advantage to the robots. Maybe our place is to be the deep space mechanics that keep the robots alive? I don't know, regardless, you should dream big. What kind of world do you want to live in? Ok, how do we make that world happen? My big (somewhat unspoken and somewhat immature dream) is that advances in regenerative health tech fix my optic nerves and I can get into the cockpit again one day, then maybe later I can fly some space vehicle like I wanted to since I was a 12 year old. Immature I know, but I miss flying still. Is that world possible without AI? Probably/maybe? But it's a lot more plausible in a world where we have folded every protein, we have robot surgeons doing robotic procedures, AI generated research, etc.
  - dudul 3mo ago
    I admire the naivety. I'm sure CS grads are delighted...
vanuatu 3mo ago
I play the game for a manufactured challenge People in the real world all having god mode cheats is good, actually
- piloto_ciego 3mo ago
  yeah! Like can you imagine a world where you could just effectively "conjure" new furniture for your house and robots would assemble it in a few hours? Or molecular assemblers would grow it while you slept? Or imagine a world where we could basically cure every disease? Or a world where people could assume any form factor that they wanted? I don't know, the list goes on and on in a post-scarcity world... and we're seeing how we basically live in a sort of digital post-scarcity now and it is really cool. If I need a software tool these days I don't buy it, I tend to see if I can make it. Now imagine that for physical things? What a time to be alive.
  - WarmWash 3mo ago
    The rub is that we already live in that world relative to people who lived 1000 year ago, and yet somehow we aren't bursting with euphoria 24/7. We also have humans who essentially live post scarcity lives on the back of a monetary windfall, yet their stories are strangely quite often depressing ones. I think their is good reason to believe most human desires are illusions.

paytonjjones 3mo ago

People like being needed and important to other people. That isn't some artifact of capitalism; it exists across all times and cultures.

piloto_ciego 3mo ago
Sure, but it is certainly magnified when you need to make money to justify your right to exist.

dudul 3mo ago

If anything one wants to make is now possible to make, how is anyone supposed to make a living? Can I make food with LLMs? Can I build a house and make clothes? This is stupid. No real wealth is being created for the general population here.

piloto_ciego 3mo ago
I literally have had various LLMs generate 3d printable plans for things I have used. Also, I am literally making a living right now being something between a dev and SME and building tools for people in an industry I’m familiar with. Dream bigger buddy! We can make the world better, we’re not powerless here.