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This is all a depressing and bleak future that I don’t look forward to. One solution is to ban LLM’s, to artificially create a demand for human thought, that j
by sashank_1509 3mo ago
This is all a depressing and bleak future that I don’t look forward to.
One solution is to ban LLM’s, to artificially create a demand for human thought, that just feels like living in an artificially constructed zoo.
Another solution is humans don’t do anything that AI can do better , / doesn’t need the human touch. So I suppose we will all become artists, sportsmen or politicians, the only jobs that will remain except for select few. Maybe this is ok, I don’t know.
Another solution is we find a way to mind-meld with AI so that human + Ai >> AI alone. This is dystopian, who gets to decide who mind melds with AI, how much will it cost etc etc.
For the stupid copes that the prompt required human ingenuity, let me first add that the author used GPT5.6 to write most of the prompt. He just gave some mild direction. That amount of direction does not require deep expertise and the expertise required will keep falling with time, eventually an undergrad can create this loop and then maybe a high school student.
And prompt engineering / loop engineering nonsense is not real. Calling it engineering is a psy-op because it is something simple, imprecise and future models will be much better at it than you.
In fact, in the future the most likely outcome is you tell the agent what you want (I want this app, or I want this theorem solved) and it will set up the loop, or loop of loops and use all its computing effort to come up with a result. This is completely dystopian to a human life.
- slashdave 3mo agoThere is more to human life than programming and math proofs.
- tripleee 3mo agounfortunately many won't get to experience it much because we'll be stressed and struggling to make a living
- kevincox 3mo agoThe problem isn't that we are gaining more knowledge and better technology. The problem is that we are allowing the rich to use the technology to subjugate the majority. If AI improves human productivity so much that millions of people no longer need to work that should be an incredible thing. But the flawed structure of our society punishes those people rather than freeing them to persue endeavors that interest then.
- tripleee 3mo agoOnly solution I can think of is higher taxes for the rich used to provide universal income. I'm not sure how the realities of that would play out, though. Anything based on a free market just ends up in.. this.
- kevincox 3mo agoI'm strongly in favour of this. I think income tax should approach 100%. So your second billion you still make more. But not twice as much. The exact decay function is up to date. But I really don't think your post-tax take home should scale linearly with your income once you hit the max bracket. We can also remove all of the loopholes that result in the biggest companies paying basically no taxes. I also think it may make sense to have a dramatically different tax structure for businesses than effectively income tax.
- My_Name 3mo agoAs I say above, here in the UK we used to have the top rate of tax at 95% of your earnings, and it was the period of fastest growth for poor and middle class people (Boomers at the time) Unfortunately, the rich are the ones most capable of buying democracy, and the current set of politicians seem to very much welcome the money...
- My_Name 3mo agoI fully agree. Tax wealth, not work. Then it is far easier to lift yourself from poverty, but harder to hold on to vast amounts of wealth. After WW2, when tax on the wealthy was far greater, sometimes 95% of their income (in the UK at least), it was the period when the largest number of ordinary people were raised from poverty to middle class status, yet the number of rich people also increased greatly. When that stopped, wages stagnated, and now we have a cost of living crisis. Connect the dots, lol... Many people think that the market is either 100% free, or 100% controlled, but a free market that operates within defined limits that will stop the greatest excesses of the rich ruining things for everyone else is the sweet spot we should be aiming for.
- Shorel 3mo agoThis is already the case with most human activities, even reading a book for leisure is a luxury many can't afford.
- tripleee 3mo agoIt's available to most, though. Outside of really bad luck I've never seen a case where someone was in a situation of working hard + making reasonably okay decisions + struggling, and that's purely due to there being avenues available where you can be rewarded well for your effort if you're of average+ intelligence. AI is threatening to take that opportunity away.
- piloto_ciego 3mo agoThis is utopian friend! Literally anything you wanted to make is no plausible to make if not now then in the next couple years. The thing you’re worried about is capitalism and the connection with working to having the right to keep living. If you can throw off that mental shackle you can start to see how this can be amazing, but you have to drop the idea that everyone has to work at a job for someone else to provide some service in order to do it. It’s hard, I know, but change your mindset some and dream for a better world and we can make it.
- WarmWash 3mo agoYou ever play a video game with god mode cheats enabled, so you can unlock all the unlocks, get all the best gear, and be an unstoppable force with unlimited money? Yeah, it's fun for 30 minutes.
- nilamo 3mo agoOn the other hand, exploring any of your interests without needing to calculate how it can cover rent means you have more time and opportunities to actually do things you're interested in. Working all day, then not wanting to do much else after because you're tired, is also fun for all of 30 minutes.
- piloto_ciego 3mo agoRight!? Like imagine we could use this stuff to solve world hunger, develop robots to clean up the oceans, or colonize space? People are all “shucks how am I going to be able to justify my career at $job” and are missing the bigger opportunity. Such a lack of imagination I see…
- dudul 3mo agoThere is no lack of imagination here, there is realism. You think you display "imagination" by just regurgitating all the tired tropes of old science fiction? Oh wow! Robots to clean the ocean! How novel! Nobody has ever thought about this! The reality is nobody is going to build robots to clean the ocean because there is no money to be made. There will be robots to clean rich people's pools, sure. And it will put pool boys out of a job, great.
- raincole 3mo agoIt genuinely scares me that some people's first reaction to this news is banning LLM.
- derac 3mo agoMaybe we should also burn books and lobotomize ourselves to make science more fun and challenging. The ego here sickens me. I don't care about your ego. I want accelerated material science, medical science, energy, better outcomes for people across the world.
- shinryuu 3mo agoI also want better outcomes for people around the world. Memes like the permanent underclass and the massive incentive of replacing workers across the world does not bode well for a better outcome for people across the world.
- dag100 3mo ago> I want accelerated material science, medical science, energy, better outcomes for people across the world. There will be people benefiting from advances in these fields. Neither you nor I will be one of them.
- _zoltan_ 3mo agoIf that's your starting position then for sure you won't, buddy.
- moomoo11 3mo ago“you’re talking to someone who woke up a loser today” looks like you met the reverse Huang lol
- pfdietz 3mo agoAh, so you're saying none of us will benefit from the discovery of new mathematical knowledge? You've just condemned funding math, even human-produced math. Either math is useful, in which case AI math is useful, or math is not useful, in which case we can save money by having mathematicians sell shoes or clean toilets.
- natsucks 3mo agocall me naive, but i really think the pursuit for the new, the better, the interesting, is boundless and humans will never stop. and so for those of us that dream and push and are plain curious will never run out of ways to be useful. and hopefully the fruits of all this tech will be ample enough to support the ones that don't want to or can't participate in that way.
- petra 3mo agoWe already drown in useful new things and especially knowledge. There's a limit to how fast we can adopt them.
- thfuran 3mo agoIf AI is better at being (or simulating; I think the distinction is irrelevant in this context) curious, better at examining that curiosity, better at pursuing it to discovery, better at applying the discoveries, better at sharing the discoveries, and able to push the frontier of knowledge (if that’s even the right word) literally beyond human comprehension in every domain, what usefulness exactly is left? Or are you just implicitly saying you don’t believe AI will ever get all that superhuman?
- skekke 3mo agoWhat a load of absolute nonsense. I’m convinced many of you barely go outside and have the capacity for original thoughts. Sloppity slop slop.
- adamtaylor_13 3mo agoWhy is this depressing and bleak? No one is stopping you from doing math if that's what you want to do. Should I ban table saws because they make people too good at woodworking? Should we ban right-angles? This line of thought doesn't lead anywhere fruitful.
- moomoo11 3mo agojust ignore these people gig economy is a blessing to keep the LCD busy and doing something productive instead of being nihilistic losers it’s better to focus on how to keep these “knowledge” workers busy for the AI age they don’t like to work and complain even on a w2 job (where someone else had to figure out how to capitalize them) so in many ways they’re far more dangerous and hopeless.
- cornell532 3mo agoDon’t be so nasty about w2 workers. Incredibly unbecoming. Also see comparative advantage re best roles for each actor in an economy
- moomoo11 3mo agocool
- pfdietz 3mo ago> This is all a depressing and bleak future that I don’t look forward to. Or, for the vast majority of humanity who aren't professional mathematicians, it's a liberating and empowering advancement. I'm sorry if the automated digital theorem looms are eliminating the market for your handwoven proofs.
- My_Name 3mo agoIndeed. Where do you throw your wooden shoes these days? (Not that it was an effective tactic then anyway)