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It is only the 9th. Look at the marks of this year against prior years: December 09, 2012: $260k ($500k goal) December 14, 2011: $210k ($400k goal) Decemb

by hapless 14y ago

It is only the 9th. Look at the marks of this year against prior years: December 09, 2012: $260k ($500k goal) December 14, 2011: $210k ($400k goal) December 16, 2010: $210k ($350k goal) Early Dec, 2010: $195k ($350k goal) December 26, 2009: $250k ($300k goal) It looks like the last weeks of December are a big time for donations, and they're seeing an early surge relative to prior years. It surprises me that FreeBSD is even this well-funded. Who still uses it?

flxmglrb 14y ago
> Who still uses it? I dunno, everyone in the world running Mac OS X?
- koko775 14y ago
  OS X has a BSD subsystem, but is based on the XNU kernel (Darwin). It's not FreeBSD in any realistic sense.
  - profquail 14y ago
    OS X does have it's own kernel (Darwin), but a number of it's subsystems were directly derived from FreeBSD. Apple's developer site has a page listing the pieces of FreeBSD which were incorporated into OS X: https://developer.apple.com/library/mac/#documentation/Darwin/Conceptual/KernelProgramming/BSD/BSD.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP30000905-CH214-TPXREF101 https://developer.apple.com/library/mac/#documentation/Darwi...
  - huxley 14y ago
    The NeXT and Rhapsody kernels used NetBSD as the basis for their BSD subsystem, OS X used FreeBSD as the basis for its BSD subsystem. You are technically correct that it isn't FreeBSD but, for most intents and purposes, Mac OS X re-uses many parts of FreeBSD.
    - snogglethorpe 14y ago
      > The NeXT and Rhapsody kernels used NetBSD as the basis for their BSD subsystem NeXT started in the mid-80s (I first used a NeXT cube in 1988), and ceased to exist in 1996. NetBSD didn't exist until 1993... [My impression is that NeXT for a long time used the same "non-server" version of Mach that was generally used at CMU at the time (BSD code originally derived from 4.3BSD still in the actual kernel, not as a separate subsystem).]
      - vvhn 14y ago
        >My impression is that NeXT for a long time used the same "non-server" version of Mach that was generally used at CMU at the time (BSD code originally derived from 4.3BSD still in the actual kernel, not as a separate subsystem). Right, NeXtStep was derived from Mach 2.5 which had a 4.3BSD emulation layer (still running in the kernel though) on a Mach "not yet a microkernel" (Mach transitioned to a full Microkernel in Mach 3.0 when the BSD emulation moved out from kernel to userspace). When it became OS X, the BSD emulation layer was updated to 4.4BSD (from FreeBSD) and the Mach part was updated to Mach 3.0. As an aside, Apple even experimented with a Linux Emulation Layer on top of a real Mach Microkernel (mklinux http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MkLinux http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MkLinux) and as the work done in bringing this up actually was put into getting Mach upto 3.0 on xnu (along with the BSD update). The other Unix which derived from Mach 2.5 was OSF/1->Digital UNIX->Tru64 UNIX.
        freeosjunkie 14y ago
        Thank you. +1, would read again. I have no mod points.
profquail 14y ago
That's encouraging -- maybe they'll even be able to exceed their goal! > Who still uses it? Read the rest of the comments in this thread :)
noselasd 14y ago
> Who still uses it? Apparently Netflix, http://opsec.eu/backup/OpenConnectDeploymentGuide-v2.4a.pdf http://opsec.eu/backup/OpenConnectDeploymentGuide-v2.4a.pdf
yxhuvud 14y ago
Nice to see that the amound they manage to get seem to increase (which I admit is a guess but the numbers wouldn't make sense otherwise as they wouldn't keep asking for more if they didn't manage to get what they asked for or close to it).
sciurus 14y ago
> Who still uses it? Dell, Citrix, F5, Juniper, Netapp... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_products_based_on_FreeBSD https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_products_based_on_Free...
- hapless 14y ago
  Dell bought an existing company. Cisco bought an existing company, and the product is stagnant. Citrix bought an existing company, and the product is stagnant. F5 went to Linux many years ago Juniper is still FreeBSD. They win this one ;) NetApp has a port to Linux, but is still shipping FreeBSD. 50/50. Nokia/CheckPoint went to Linux (SecurePlatform)
  - profquail 14y ago
    Juniper Networks is actively hiring software engineers with FreeBSD experience: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-jobs/2012-November/000816.html http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-jobs/2012-Novembe... And they're not the only ones...
  - irq 14y ago
    > NetApp has a port to Linux, but is still shipping FreeBSD. 50/50. This is the first I've heard of this. Source?
    - ChuckMcM 14y ago
      I too would be interested, I was at NetApp when they acquired Spinnaker which was using Linux and that product was ported over to FreeBSD. That said NetApp has been a huge supporter of getting solid NFS support in Linux both through the pNFS effort and the work that was done at Citi/UMich.
    - hapless 14y ago
      http://partners.netapp.com/go/techontap/matl/sample/0206tot_monthlytool.html http://partners.netapp.com/go/techontap/matl/sample/0206tot_...
frozenport 14y ago
>> Who still uses it? Try searching menu config for /bsd :-)
olgeni 14y ago
> Who still uses it? Usually people running away from Linux, Drepper-isms, Oppan Poettering Styles, and the like. Doesn't everybody love the smell of bikesheds in the morning?
- pwniekins 14y ago
  Um...what.
wglb 14y ago
Um, I think Yahoo. Certainly cperciva.

by hapless 14y ago

flxmglrb 14y ago

> Who still uses it? I dunno, everyone in the world running Mac OS X?

koko775 14y ago
OS X has a BSD subsystem, but is based on the XNU kernel (Darwin). It's not FreeBSD in any realistic sense.
- profquail 14y ago
  OS X does have it's own kernel (Darwin), but a number of it's subsystems were directly derived from FreeBSD. Apple's developer site has a page listing the pieces of FreeBSD which were incorporated into OS X: https://developer.apple.com/library/mac/#documentation/Darwin/Conceptual/KernelProgramming/BSD/BSD.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP30000905-CH214-TPXREF101 https://developer.apple.com/library/mac/#documentation/Darwi...
- huxley 14y ago
  The NeXT and Rhapsody kernels used NetBSD as the basis for their BSD subsystem, OS X used FreeBSD as the basis for its BSD subsystem. You are technically correct that it isn't FreeBSD but, for most intents and purposes, Mac OS X re-uses many parts of FreeBSD.
  - snogglethorpe 14y ago
    > The NeXT and Rhapsody kernels used NetBSD as the basis for their BSD subsystem NeXT started in the mid-80s (I first used a NeXT cube in 1988), and ceased to exist in 1996. NetBSD didn't exist until 1993... [My impression is that NeXT for a long time used the same "non-server" version of Mach that was generally used at CMU at the time (BSD code originally derived from 4.3BSD still in the actual kernel, not as a separate subsystem).]
    - vvhn 14y ago
      >My impression is that NeXT for a long time used the same "non-server" version of Mach that was generally used at CMU at the time (BSD code originally derived from 4.3BSD still in the actual kernel, not as a separate subsystem). Right, NeXtStep was derived from Mach 2.5 which had a 4.3BSD emulation layer (still running in the kernel though) on a Mach "not yet a microkernel" (Mach transitioned to a full Microkernel in Mach 3.0 when the BSD emulation moved out from kernel to userspace). When it became OS X, the BSD emulation layer was updated to 4.4BSD (from FreeBSD) and the Mach part was updated to Mach 3.0. As an aside, Apple even experimented with a Linux Emulation Layer on top of a real Mach Microkernel (mklinux http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MkLinux http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MkLinux) and as the work done in bringing this up actually was put into getting Mach upto 3.0 on xnu (along with the BSD update). The other Unix which derived from Mach 2.5 was OSF/1->Digital UNIX->Tru64 UNIX.
      - freeosjunkie 14y ago
        Thank you. +1, would read again. I have no mod points.

profquail 14y ago

That's encouraging -- maybe they'll even be able to exceed their goal! > Who still uses it? Read the rest of the comments in this thread :)

noselasd 14y ago

> Who still uses it? Apparently Netflix, http://opsec.eu/backup/OpenConnectDeploymentGuide-v2.4a.pdf http://opsec.eu/backup/OpenConnectDeploymentGuide-v2.4a.pdf

yxhuvud 14y ago

Nice to see that the amound they manage to get seem to increase (which I admit is a guess but the numbers wouldn't make sense otherwise as they wouldn't keep asking for more if they didn't manage to get what they asked for or close to it).

sciurus 14y ago

> Who still uses it? Dell, Citrix, F5, Juniper, Netapp... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_products_based_on_FreeBSD https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_products_based_on_Free...

hapless 14y ago
Dell bought an existing company. Cisco bought an existing company, and the product is stagnant. Citrix bought an existing company, and the product is stagnant. F5 went to Linux many years ago Juniper is still FreeBSD. They win this one ;) NetApp has a port to Linux, but is still shipping FreeBSD. 50/50. Nokia/CheckPoint went to Linux (SecurePlatform)
- profquail 14y ago
  Juniper Networks is actively hiring software engineers with FreeBSD experience: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-jobs/2012-November/000816.html http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-jobs/2012-Novembe... And they're not the only ones...
- irq 14y ago
  > NetApp has a port to Linux, but is still shipping FreeBSD. 50/50. This is the first I've heard of this. Source?
  - ChuckMcM 14y ago
    I too would be interested, I was at NetApp when they acquired Spinnaker which was using Linux and that product was ported over to FreeBSD. That said NetApp has been a huge supporter of getting solid NFS support in Linux both through the pNFS effort and the work that was done at Citi/UMich.
  - hapless 14y ago
    http://partners.netapp.com/go/techontap/matl/sample/0206tot_monthlytool.html http://partners.netapp.com/go/techontap/matl/sample/0206tot_...

frozenport 14y ago

>> Who still uses it? Try searching menu config for /bsd :-)

olgeni 14y ago

> Who still uses it? Usually people running away from Linux, Drepper-isms, Oppan Poettering Styles, and the like. Doesn't everybody love the smell of bikesheds in the morning?

pwniekins 14y ago
Um...what.

wglb 14y ago

Um, I think Yahoo. Certainly cperciva.