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And Razer, Logitech, nvidia and everyone else who has it's driver package accepted into WU. No, you can't have a "(o) just the driver" checkbox because... hone

And Razer, Logitech, nvidia and everyone else who has it's driver package accepted into WU. No, you can't have a "(o) just the driver" checkbox because... honestly there are a lot of reasons and the device manufacturers are the guys who demand that in the first place.

maccard 3mo ago
With the quality of that software, it wouldn’t surprise me if the driver didn’t work without the userspace app at all. The GeForce experience at least you can disable, but if you have any branded components getting all of their management software off your PC is incredibly difficult
- justsomehnguy 3mo ago
  Logitech M720 Triathlon is currently listed €64,99 at their site. The "programmable buttons" on it works through the user space app which is needs to be running in order to intercept and replace the button actions. No app running? No replace. App is stalling because the CPU was busy? No replace. (EDIT: or no action at all, lol) Is €65 mouse could store the less than a 1 kilobyte of the settings on itself? Of course not. On a third day I just turned it off and went for the other vendor altogether. To add an insult to an injury I knew the software would be mess so I installed it on a notebook relegated for the 2nd line duties. Less than a year later the notebook started to cry what there is no space left on the disk - which was quite strange because there was nothing what would fill up quite a plenty of a free space. Well, every month or two the Logi software (which I no longer even used because I didn't use the mouse) downloaded ~1GB update, stored the update, installed the update. Never cleaning up nor the updates nor the previous versions. Tens of GBs of a useless software just for the sake of the process.
  - Georgelemental 3mo ago
    I am very happy with my Triathlon, but I use the 3rd-party Linux software Solaar https://github.com/pwr-Solaar/Solaar https://github.com/pwr-Solaar/Solaar
    - sys_64738 3mo ago
      This is a wonderful app for pairing. No Logitech spyware needed!
  - maccard 3mo ago
    The logitech software is absolutely awful. All of the functionality is on device, but you can manage it with https://logiwebconnect.com/ https://logiwebconnect.com/ instead. I’ve used Logitech mice as my daily driver for years with this.
mbrndtgn 3mo ago
Razer mice are the worst because they are just HIDs and could work without any special driver at all! Also I don't need their whole suite on every Windows computer I plug my mouse in. I think most people would just configure their Razer mouse on one PC, save the settings in the firmware of the mouse itself (I guess, I've actually never used their driver suite) and then never touch their software again. It's just crazy to me that a lot of keyboard manufacturers have basically standardized on VIA as their firmware which can be configured via WebUSB without installing any additional driver. But my mouse somehow needs a gigantic driver suite just to configure and save some settings? It's just madness. I like Razer mice and their headsets, but I will never install any of their drivers. Ironically I feel more comfortable using Razer hardware on non-Windows devices than on Windows precisely because they don't support other operating systems.
zahlman 3mo ago
…Do these devices just not work on Linux or something?
- justsomehnguy 3mo ago
  Depends on what you are calling 'working'. Basic drivers prove a basic functionality.
sys_64738 3mo ago
I avoid installing Logitech spyware on my Mac but there are FLOSS apps to do the equivalent. There's even a pairing FLOSS app for Linux to avoid installing Logitech spyware. FLOSS is amazing. LinearMouse is the Mac app.

maccard 3mo ago

With the quality of that software, it wouldn’t surprise me if the driver didn’t work without the userspace app at all. The GeForce experience at least you can disable, but if you have any branded components getting all of their management software off your PC is incredibly difficult

justsomehnguy 3mo ago
Logitech M720 Triathlon is currently listed €64,99 at their site. The "programmable buttons" on it works through the user space app which is needs to be running in order to intercept and replace the button actions. No app running? No replace. App is stalling because the CPU was busy? No replace. (EDIT: or no action at all, lol) Is €65 mouse could store the less than a 1 kilobyte of the settings on itself? Of course not. On a third day I just turned it off and went for the other vendor altogether. To add an insult to an injury I knew the software would be mess so I installed it on a notebook relegated for the 2nd line duties. Less than a year later the notebook started to cry what there is no space left on the disk - which was quite strange because there was nothing what would fill up quite a plenty of a free space. Well, every month or two the Logi software (which I no longer even used because I didn't use the mouse) downloaded ~1GB update, stored the update, installed the update. Never cleaning up nor the updates nor the previous versions. Tens of GBs of a useless software just for the sake of the process.
- Georgelemental 3mo ago
  I am very happy with my Triathlon, but I use the 3rd-party Linux software Solaar https://github.com/pwr-Solaar/Solaar https://github.com/pwr-Solaar/Solaar
  - sys_64738 3mo ago
    This is a wonderful app for pairing. No Logitech spyware needed!
- maccard 3mo ago
  The logitech software is absolutely awful. All of the functionality is on device, but you can manage it with https://logiwebconnect.com/ https://logiwebconnect.com/ instead. I’ve used Logitech mice as my daily driver for years with this.

mbrndtgn 3mo ago

Razer mice are the worst because they are just HIDs and could work without any special driver at all! Also I don't need their whole suite on every Windows computer I plug my mouse in. I think most people would just configure their Razer mouse on one PC, save the settings in the firmware of the mouse itself (I guess, I've actually never used their driver suite) and then never touch their software again. It's just crazy to me that a lot of keyboard manufacturers have basically standardized on VIA as their firmware which can be configured via WebUSB without installing any additional driver. But my mouse somehow needs a gigantic driver suite just to configure and save some settings? It's just madness. I like Razer mice and their headsets, but I will never install any of their drivers. Ironically I feel more comfortable using Razer hardware on non-Windows devices than on Windows precisely because they don't support other operating systems.

zahlman 3mo ago

…Do these devices just not work on Linux or something?

justsomehnguy 3mo ago
Depends on what you are calling 'working'. Basic drivers prove a basic functionality.

sys_64738 3mo ago

I avoid installing Logitech spyware on my Mac but there are FLOSS apps to do the equivalent. There's even a pairing FLOSS app for Linux to avoid installing Logitech spyware. FLOSS is amazing. LinearMouse is the Mac app.