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Solitary confinement... What kind of justice system still considers this kind of punishment a valid form of reformation. Heres an insightful article by The NewY

Solitary confinement... What kind of justice system still considers this kind of punishment a valid form of reformation. Heres an insightful article by The NewYorker with regards to the ethical implications of solitary confinement: http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/03/30/090330fa_fact_gawande?currentPage=all http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/03/30/090330fa_fact_...

droithomme 14y ago
It's torture, there's no doubt about it. Especially when it goes on for more than a few days, then the psychological damage can become becomes permanent. In this case he was in there three months. Many prisoners tortured this way become so psychologically fractured they can no longer defend themselves in court, such as the case of Jose Padilla, kept in solitary for years, and who went completely insane as a result. Burning someone with hot irons leaves marks on the outside, but you can get over it. The damage done from solitary confinement doesn't go away. Another article on the practice - http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2011/03/201137125936219469.html http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2011/03/2011371259... Interestingly, at the time that was written a year and a half ago they stated "In Europe, solitary confinement has largely been abandoned, and it is widely viewed as a form of cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment, in violation of international human rights conventions". And yet here is Sweden implementing this practice, recognized in Europe as torture, for someone accused of copyright infringement. Certainly not a violent crime.
- nova 14y ago
  > And yet here is Sweden implementing this practice, recognized in Europe as torture, for someone accused of copyright infringement. Certainly not a violent crime. Just think of all the money, power and influence behind intellectual property. It's a huge tool of wealth concentration. A few companies literally own almost all human culture: literature, music, movies, even science papers. For ever. They're setting an example. It's like messing with the kings of old (and not that old). You'll end with your head on a spike, for everyone to see.
- georgeorwell 14y ago
  I believe it's also harder on you if you're mentally ill, and so because the torture is likely to provoke or worsen mental illness, it becomes worse torture the longer it continues. To be fair, most if not all tortures have this quality. The Ashley Smith case up in Canada is also terrible - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashley_Smith_inquest https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashley_Smith_inquest - the girl killed herself in solitary while guards watched as they were instructed not to intervene. It would be nice if there were a point where prisoners were guaranteed transfer to a psychiatric hospital for the criminally insane.
  - droithomme 14y ago
    Wow, thanks for that link, that is amazing. So a child is flinging crabapples (which are tiny) at the mailman. Rather than ignore it or tell her to cut it out, she is arrested and put in the system to teach her a lesson where she is brutalized with progressive increasing severity, making her more and more angry, and misbehave more and more, getting charged with trespassing and creating a disturbance. Finally, with her never having committed anything that most rational people would consider serious crimes, she turns 18 and they lock her in adult prison in solitary confinement where she kills herself in despair. According to http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/2009-2010/out_of_control/ http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/2009-2010/out_of_control/ the crab apple flinging charge ended up resulting in a total of 4 years hard prison time. The methods used against this child by the Canadian authorities are quite interesting. In this article we find that they would transfer her from place to place wearing a black hood, CIA torture/Guatanamo Bay style, and drugged with powerful sedatives administered without oversight of competent medical authorities: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2012/10/31/ashley-smith-inquest-scope.html http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2012/10/31/ashley-smith-.... From this it is clear her abuse was not something that just happened at a single rogue facility. If you beat your dog everyday and it finally bites you, is it a bad dog? Is the dog mentally ill? I see she was adopted and is obviously from her appearance an indigenous first nations child. It's quite common for these children to be kidnapped from their nations by the canadian government in order to be resocialized away from their culture under the guise of protecting them and the premise that first nations people are incapable of caring for their own children and exposure to their own culture is a form of abuse. It's a racist and genocidal policy the goal of which is to exterminate their ethnicity and culture. This has been called "The Lost Generation". http://www.akha.org/content/missiondocuments/thelostgeneration.pdf http://www.akha.org/content/missiondocuments/thelostgenerati...
NIL8 14y ago
Powerful and enlightening. Thank you for the link.
friendly_chap 14y ago
That article was hard to read. So much suffering in this world.
kryptiskt 14y ago
It's not a punishment, it's a form of pre-trial custody under restrictions (can't read news, can't have unmonitored communication with people outside) so you can't interfere with the criminal investigation.
- pyre 14y ago
  How would reading the news allow him to interfere with a criminal investigation while in prison?
  - mongol 14y ago
    It could allow him to adjust his testimony in trial, to align with other evidence reported.
    - pyre 14y ago
      I don't see how adjusting his testimony at trial interferes with the criminal investigation. Especially since they kept him in solitary for months, only to release him now, and still no charges are laid against him (just nebulous 'suspicions').
    - gizmo686 14y ago
      The prosecution is required to share all evidence they have with the defense before a trial.
      - pyre 14y ago
        Is this true in Sweden (the setting of this story)?
- gizmo686 14y ago
  Call it what you like, it is still inhumane.
qwerta 14y ago
I found it very cynical that man hold in custody has less rights than in regular prison.

droithomme 14y ago

It's torture, there's no doubt about it. Especially when it goes on for more than a few days, then the psychological damage can become becomes permanent. In this case he was in there three months. Many prisoners tortured this way become so psychologically fractured they can no longer defend themselves in court, such as the case of Jose Padilla, kept in solitary for years, and who went completely insane as a result. Burning someone with hot irons leaves marks on the outside, but you can get over it. The damage done from solitary confinement doesn't go away. Another article on the practice - http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2011/03/201137125936219469.html http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2011/03/2011371259... Interestingly, at the time that was written a year and a half ago they stated "In Europe, solitary confinement has largely been abandoned, and it is widely viewed as a form of cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment, in violation of international human rights conventions". And yet here is Sweden implementing this practice, recognized in Europe as torture, for someone accused of copyright infringement. Certainly not a violent crime.

nova 14y ago
> And yet here is Sweden implementing this practice, recognized in Europe as torture, for someone accused of copyright infringement. Certainly not a violent crime. Just think of all the money, power and influence behind intellectual property. It's a huge tool of wealth concentration. A few companies literally own almost all human culture: literature, music, movies, even science papers. For ever. They're setting an example. It's like messing with the kings of old (and not that old). You'll end with your head on a spike, for everyone to see.
georgeorwell 14y ago
I believe it's also harder on you if you're mentally ill, and so because the torture is likely to provoke or worsen mental illness, it becomes worse torture the longer it continues. To be fair, most if not all tortures have this quality. The Ashley Smith case up in Canada is also terrible - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashley_Smith_inquest https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashley_Smith_inquest - the girl killed herself in solitary while guards watched as they were instructed not to intervene. It would be nice if there were a point where prisoners were guaranteed transfer to a psychiatric hospital for the criminally insane.
- droithomme 14y ago
  Wow, thanks for that link, that is amazing. So a child is flinging crabapples (which are tiny) at the mailman. Rather than ignore it or tell her to cut it out, she is arrested and put in the system to teach her a lesson where she is brutalized with progressive increasing severity, making her more and more angry, and misbehave more and more, getting charged with trespassing and creating a disturbance. Finally, with her never having committed anything that most rational people would consider serious crimes, she turns 18 and they lock her in adult prison in solitary confinement where she kills herself in despair. According to http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/2009-2010/out_of_control/ http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/2009-2010/out_of_control/ the crab apple flinging charge ended up resulting in a total of 4 years hard prison time. The methods used against this child by the Canadian authorities are quite interesting. In this article we find that they would transfer her from place to place wearing a black hood, CIA torture/Guatanamo Bay style, and drugged with powerful sedatives administered without oversight of competent medical authorities: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2012/10/31/ashley-smith-inquest-scope.html http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2012/10/31/ashley-smith-.... From this it is clear her abuse was not something that just happened at a single rogue facility. If you beat your dog everyday and it finally bites you, is it a bad dog? Is the dog mentally ill? I see she was adopted and is obviously from her appearance an indigenous first nations child. It's quite common for these children to be kidnapped from their nations by the canadian government in order to be resocialized away from their culture under the guise of protecting them and the premise that first nations people are incapable of caring for their own children and exposure to their own culture is a form of abuse. It's a racist and genocidal policy the goal of which is to exterminate their ethnicity and culture. This has been called "The Lost Generation". http://www.akha.org/content/missiondocuments/thelostgeneration.pdf http://www.akha.org/content/missiondocuments/thelostgenerati...

NIL8 14y ago

Powerful and enlightening. Thank you for the link.

friendly_chap 14y ago

That article was hard to read. So much suffering in this world.

kryptiskt 14y ago

It's not a punishment, it's a form of pre-trial custody under restrictions (can't read news, can't have unmonitored communication with people outside) so you can't interfere with the criminal investigation.

pyre 14y ago
How would reading the news allow him to interfere with a criminal investigation while in prison?
- mongol 14y ago
  It could allow him to adjust his testimony in trial, to align with other evidence reported.
  - pyre 14y ago
    I don't see how adjusting his testimony at trial interferes with the criminal investigation. Especially since they kept him in solitary for months, only to release him now, and still no charges are laid against him (just nebulous 'suspicions').
  - gizmo686 14y ago
    The prosecution is required to share all evidence they have with the defense before a trial.
    - pyre 14y ago
      Is this true in Sweden (the setting of this story)?
gizmo686 14y ago
Call it what you like, it is still inhumane.

qwerta 14y ago

I found it very cynical that man hold in custody has less rights than in regular prison.