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None of this seems like it could reasonably be described as evil.

fsflover 3mo ago
How about these? Apple knew a supplier was using child labor but took 3 years to fully cut ties (yahoo.com) 52 points by notRobot on Jan 1, 2021 | un‑favorite | 5 comments https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25607386 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25607386 Apple's Cooperation with Authoritarian Governments (jessesquires.com) 468 points by ig0r0 on March 31, 2021 | un‑favorite | 291 comments https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26644216 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26644216 Apple removes nearly 100 VPNs used by Russians to bypass censorship (elpais.com) 31 points by speckx on Oct 1, 2024 | un‑favorite | 3 comments https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41712728 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41712728 Apple's Browser Engine Ban Persists, Even Under the DMA (open-web-advocacy.org) 514 points by yashghelani on July 14, 2025 | un‑favorite | 383 comments https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44557348 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44557348 Apple defined ICE as a "protected class" in blocking anti-ICE apps (boingboing.net) 146 points by baobun 9 months ago 69 comments https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45520407 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45520407 https://9to5mac.com/2020/12/29/iphone-workers-forced-labor/ https://9to5mac.com/2020/12/29/iphone-workers-forced-labor/
- illliillll 3mo ago
  Let’s try: > Apple knew a supplier was using child labor but took 3 years to fully cut ties (yahoo.com) Apple routinely terminates relationships with suppliers when they identify abusive practices, sometimes they’re slow about it. > Apple's Cooperation with Authoritarian Governments (jessesquires.com) > Apple removes nearly 100 VPNs used by Russians to bypass censorship (elpais.com) Apple obeys local laws > Apple's Browser Engine Ban Persists, Even Under the DMA (open-web-advocacy.org) Apple chooses to maintain control over a specific implementation detail of their platform that a handful of nerds object to. > Apple defined ICE as a "protected class" in blocking anti-ICE apps (boingboing.net) The claim made in this headline is just straight up false. I don’t know, I don’t think their less-than-ideal behaviour is anywhere bad enough to reasonably be described as “evil”. Otherwise, we’re probably all evil.
  - throw10920 3mo ago
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    - fsflover 3mo ago
      Shallow dismissals like "straight up false" that contradict multiple reputable news outlets aren't "debunking". Calling well-know human right activist NGOs "handful of nerds" is straight up misinformation.
      - illliillll 3mo ago
        Shallow dismissals? The claim that ‘Apple defined ICE as a "protected class"’ is explicitly false, there’s nothing more that could possibly be said to dismiss it. It simply never happened! Boingboing lied, it happens. > Calling well-know human right activist NGOs "handful of nerds" is straight up misinformation No it isn’t. But describing OWA the same way one might describe Amnesty International does feel somewhat dishonest. That is an advocacy organisation serving the special interests of a handful of nerds.
      - throw10920 3mo ago
        > Shallow dismissals like "straight up false" If something is false, which the headline is, then calling it false isn't a "dismissal", it's asserting reality. If you don't understand this, then you may have trouble with actually using logic. > Calling well-know human right activist NGOs "handful of nerds" is straight up misinformation. No, it's factually not. It's pejorative and not in good taste, but saying that it is "misinformation" is just a lie. (that's consistent with your previous post though)

How about these? Apple knew a supplier was using child labor but took 3 years to fully cut ties (yahoo.com) 52 points by notRobot on Jan 1, 2021 | un‑favorite | 5 comments https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25607386 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25607386 Apple's Cooperation with Authoritarian Governments (jessesquires.com) 468 points by ig0r0 on March 31, 2021 | un‑favorite | 291 comments https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26644216 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26644216 Apple removes nearly 100 VPNs used by Russians to bypass censorship (elpais.com) 31 points by speckx on Oct 1, 2024 | un‑favorite | 3 comments https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41712728 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41712728 Apple's Browser Engine Ban Persists, Even Under the DMA (open-web-advocacy.org) 514 points by yashghelani on July 14, 2025 | un‑favorite | 383 comments https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44557348 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44557348 Apple defined ICE as a "protected class" in blocking anti-ICE apps (boingboing.net) 146 points by baobun 9 months ago 69 comments https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45520407 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45520407 https://9to5mac.com/2020/12/29/iphone-workers-forced-labor/ https://9to5mac.com/2020/12/29/iphone-workers-forced-labor/

illliillll 3mo ago
Let’s try: > Apple knew a supplier was using child labor but took 3 years to fully cut ties (yahoo.com) Apple routinely terminates relationships with suppliers when they identify abusive practices, sometimes they’re slow about it. > Apple's Cooperation with Authoritarian Governments (jessesquires.com) > Apple removes nearly 100 VPNs used by Russians to bypass censorship (elpais.com) Apple obeys local laws > Apple's Browser Engine Ban Persists, Even Under the DMA (open-web-advocacy.org) Apple chooses to maintain control over a specific implementation detail of their platform that a handful of nerds object to. > Apple defined ICE as a "protected class" in blocking anti-ICE apps (boingboing.net) The claim made in this headline is just straight up false. I don’t know, I don’t think their less-than-ideal behaviour is anywhere bad enough to reasonably be described as “evil”. Otherwise, we’re probably all evil.
- throw10920 3mo ago
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  - fsflover 3mo ago
    Shallow dismissals like "straight up false" that contradict multiple reputable news outlets aren't "debunking". Calling well-know human right activist NGOs "handful of nerds" is straight up misinformation.
    - illliillll 3mo ago
      Shallow dismissals? The claim that ‘Apple defined ICE as a "protected class"’ is explicitly false, there’s nothing more that could possibly be said to dismiss it. It simply never happened! Boingboing lied, it happens. > Calling well-know human right activist NGOs "handful of nerds" is straight up misinformation No it isn’t. But describing OWA the same way one might describe Amnesty International does feel somewhat dishonest. That is an advocacy organisation serving the special interests of a handful of nerds.
    - throw10920 3mo ago
      > Shallow dismissals like "straight up false" If something is false, which the headline is, then calling it false isn't a "dismissal", it's asserting reality. If you don't understand this, then you may have trouble with actually using logic. > Calling well-know human right activist NGOs "handful of nerds" is straight up misinformation. No, it's factually not. It's pejorative and not in good taste, but saying that it is "misinformation" is just a lie. (that's consistent with your previous post though)