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Ha ha. Worked at Apple for over two decades—would not have stayed at a company I thought was evil for that long. A bully at times? I wouldn't argue with that.

yomismoaqui 3mo ago
A quick search: APP STORE, COMPETITION, AND MARKET CONTROL - U.S. Department of Justice antitrust lawsuit Accuses Apple of monopolizing smartphone markets and anticompetitive behavior. https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-sues-apple-monopolizing-smartphone-markets - EU Commission DMA breach The European Commission found Apple in breach of the Digital Markets Act regarding steering rules. https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/news/commission-finds-apple-and-meta-breach-digital-markets-act - Epic Games injunction sanctions Court rules Apple defied App Store order regarding external payment links. https://apnews.com/article/69b16572d2b2c990f6b69d4bbad9b57b - EU €1.8B App Store fine Fined for abusive music-streaming rules and preventing cheaper alternative information. https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_24_1161 IPHONE PERFORMANCE AND "BATTERYGATE" - Apple Will Finally Pay for Throttling iPhones (WIRED) Apple settled the throttling lawsuit for up to $500 million (without admitting guilt). https://www.wired.com/story/apple-batterygate-settlement-payments-finally-coming/ RIGHT TO REPAIR AND PARTS PAIRING - The End of Parts Pairing? Almost (iFixit) On how software component linking forces warnings and loses functionality. https://www.ifixit.com/News/100266/the-end-of-parts-pairing-almost - Self-Repair Programme Critique (Right to Repair Europe) Critiques serialization, remote authorization, and part restrictions. https://repair.eu/news/apples-self-repair-programme-is-not-the-right-to-repair-we-need/ - France is Fighting to Save Your iPhone from an Early Death (WIRED) Regarding France's probe into planned obsolescence and parts pairing. https://www.wired.com/story/right-to-repair-apple-france/ PRIVACY AND SURVEILLANCE - Apple to pay $95 million to settle Siri privacy lawsuit (Reuters) Lawsuit alleging accidental Siri recordings and sharing with third parties. https://www.reuters.com/legal/apple-pay-95-million-settle-siri-privacy-lawsuit-2025-01-02/ - Apple's CSAM On-Device Scanning Critiques (EFF) The Electronic Frontier Foundation's critique of Apple's plan to scan photos on-device (later dropped). https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/08/apples-plan-think-different-about-encryption-opens-backdoor-your-private-life LABOR CONDITIONS IN SUPPLY CHAINS - Apple Reveals Supply Chain, Details Conditions (Reuters) Early reporting on audit findings of child labor and work violations. https://www.reuters.com/article/world/uk/apple-reveals-supply-chain-details-conditions-idUSTRE80C1KV/ - Rights Group Says Apple Suppliers in China Broke Labor Laws (Reuters) Reports of excessive overtime and labor violations in Chinese factories. https://www.reuters.com/article/business/rights-group-says-apple-suppliers-in-china-breaking-labour-laws-idUSBRE85R0EF/ TAX PRACTICES - State aid: Ireland gave illegal tax benefits to Apple worth up to €13 billion (European Commission) The EC ruling that Ireland gave illegal tax benefits to Apple, later upheld. https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_16_2923
- alansaber 3mo ago
  Well, just enough evil to increase profit margins.
- illliillll 3mo ago
  None of this seems like it could reasonably be described as evil.
  - fsflover 3mo ago
    How about these? Apple knew a supplier was using child labor but took 3 years to fully cut ties (yahoo.com) 52 points by notRobot on Jan 1, 2021 | un‑favorite | 5 comments https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25607386 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25607386 Apple's Cooperation with Authoritarian Governments (jessesquires.com) 468 points by ig0r0 on March 31, 2021 | un‑favorite | 291 comments https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26644216 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26644216 Apple removes nearly 100 VPNs used by Russians to bypass censorship (elpais.com) 31 points by speckx on Oct 1, 2024 | un‑favorite | 3 comments https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41712728 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41712728 Apple's Browser Engine Ban Persists, Even Under the DMA (open-web-advocacy.org) 514 points by yashghelani on July 14, 2025 | un‑favorite | 383 comments https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44557348 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44557348 Apple defined ICE as a "protected class" in blocking anti-ICE apps (boingboing.net) 146 points by baobun 9 months ago 69 comments https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45520407 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45520407 https://9to5mac.com/2020/12/29/iphone-workers-forced-labor/ https://9to5mac.com/2020/12/29/iphone-workers-forced-labor/
    - illliillll 3mo ago
      Let’s try: > Apple knew a supplier was using child labor but took 3 years to fully cut ties (yahoo.com) Apple routinely terminates relationships with suppliers when they identify abusive practices, sometimes they’re slow about it. > Apple's Cooperation with Authoritarian Governments (jessesquires.com) > Apple removes nearly 100 VPNs used by Russians to bypass censorship (elpais.com) Apple obeys local laws > Apple's Browser Engine Ban Persists, Even Under the DMA (open-web-advocacy.org) Apple chooses to maintain control over a specific implementation detail of their platform that a handful of nerds object to. > Apple defined ICE as a "protected class" in blocking anti-ICE apps (boingboing.net) The claim made in this headline is just straight up false. I don’t know, I don’t think their less-than-ideal behaviour is anywhere bad enough to reasonably be described as “evil”. Otherwise, we’re probably all evil.
ewild 3mo ago
What about the kids they intentionally get driven to suicide by keeping the blue bubbles for no other reason than child indoctrination due to bullying from other kids.
- wat10000 3mo ago
  wat
- okdood64 3mo ago
  Sounds like a societal and parenting problem that Apple has nothing to do with.
  - retsibsi 3mo ago
    My first reaction was that it was ridiculous, or at least hysterically framed. But the claim is that the whole point of the bubble colour thing, from Apple's perspective, is to take advantage of status games among (largely) kids. If that's true, then it's probably fair to hold Apple partially responsible for the predictable negative consequences. I'd be surprised if something so silly was actually decisive in the worst cases, but I guess if this is playing out among millions of kids, it may be having outsized effects occasionally.
    - mrunkel 3mo ago
      Sure, so now because kids are dicks, I shouldn't be able to tell what's a iMessage and what is an SMS?
    - wat10000 3mo ago
      I suppose companies like Nike are to blame for putting their logo on things as well.
  - inigyou 3mo ago
    People are raised by their environment.
- EtienneK 3mo ago
brazukadev 3mo ago
> Ha ha. Worked at Apple for over two decades—would not have stayed at a company I thought was evil for that long. Maybe, just maybe, you are also evil?

yomismoaqui 3mo ago

A quick search: APP STORE, COMPETITION, AND MARKET CONTROL - U.S. Department of Justice antitrust lawsuit Accuses Apple of monopolizing smartphone markets and anticompetitive behavior. https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-sues-apple-monopolizing-smartphone-markets - EU Commission DMA breach The European Commission found Apple in breach of the Digital Markets Act regarding steering rules. https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/news/commission-finds-apple-and-meta-breach-digital-markets-act - Epic Games injunction sanctions Court rules Apple defied App Store order regarding external payment links. https://apnews.com/article/69b16572d2b2c990f6b69d4bbad9b57b - EU €1.8B App Store fine Fined for abusive music-streaming rules and preventing cheaper alternative information. https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_24_1161 IPHONE PERFORMANCE AND "BATTERYGATE" - Apple Will Finally Pay for Throttling iPhones (WIRED) Apple settled the throttling lawsuit for up to $500 million (without admitting guilt). https://www.wired.com/story/apple-batterygate-settlement-payments-finally-coming/ RIGHT TO REPAIR AND PARTS PAIRING - The End of Parts Pairing? Almost (iFixit) On how software component linking forces warnings and loses functionality. https://www.ifixit.com/News/100266/the-end-of-parts-pairing-almost - Self-Repair Programme Critique (Right to Repair Europe) Critiques serialization, remote authorization, and part restrictions. https://repair.eu/news/apples-self-repair-programme-is-not-the-right-to-repair-we-need/ - France is Fighting to Save Your iPhone from an Early Death (WIRED) Regarding France's probe into planned obsolescence and parts pairing. https://www.wired.com/story/right-to-repair-apple-france/ PRIVACY AND SURVEILLANCE - Apple to pay $95 million to settle Siri privacy lawsuit (Reuters) Lawsuit alleging accidental Siri recordings and sharing with third parties. https://www.reuters.com/legal/apple-pay-95-million-settle-siri-privacy-lawsuit-2025-01-02/ - Apple's CSAM On-Device Scanning Critiques (EFF) The Electronic Frontier Foundation's critique of Apple's plan to scan photos on-device (later dropped). https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/08/apples-plan-think-different-about-encryption-opens-backdoor-your-private-life LABOR CONDITIONS IN SUPPLY CHAINS - Apple Reveals Supply Chain, Details Conditions (Reuters) Early reporting on audit findings of child labor and work violations. https://www.reuters.com/article/world/uk/apple-reveals-supply-chain-details-conditions-idUSTRE80C1KV/ - Rights Group Says Apple Suppliers in China Broke Labor Laws (Reuters) Reports of excessive overtime and labor violations in Chinese factories. https://www.reuters.com/article/business/rights-group-says-apple-suppliers-in-china-breaking-labour-laws-idUSBRE85R0EF/ TAX PRACTICES - State aid: Ireland gave illegal tax benefits to Apple worth up to €13 billion (European Commission) The EC ruling that Ireland gave illegal tax benefits to Apple, later upheld. https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_16_2923

alansaber 3mo ago
Well, just enough evil to increase profit margins.
illliillll 3mo ago
None of this seems like it could reasonably be described as evil.
- fsflover 3mo ago
  How about these? Apple knew a supplier was using child labor but took 3 years to fully cut ties (yahoo.com) 52 points by notRobot on Jan 1, 2021 | un‑favorite | 5 comments https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25607386 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25607386 Apple's Cooperation with Authoritarian Governments (jessesquires.com) 468 points by ig0r0 on March 31, 2021 | un‑favorite | 291 comments https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26644216 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26644216 Apple removes nearly 100 VPNs used by Russians to bypass censorship (elpais.com) 31 points by speckx on Oct 1, 2024 | un‑favorite | 3 comments https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41712728 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41712728 Apple's Browser Engine Ban Persists, Even Under the DMA (open-web-advocacy.org) 514 points by yashghelani on July 14, 2025 | un‑favorite | 383 comments https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44557348 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44557348 Apple defined ICE as a "protected class" in blocking anti-ICE apps (boingboing.net) 146 points by baobun 9 months ago 69 comments https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45520407 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45520407 https://9to5mac.com/2020/12/29/iphone-workers-forced-labor/ https://9to5mac.com/2020/12/29/iphone-workers-forced-labor/
  - illliillll 3mo ago
    Let’s try: > Apple knew a supplier was using child labor but took 3 years to fully cut ties (yahoo.com) Apple routinely terminates relationships with suppliers when they identify abusive practices, sometimes they’re slow about it. > Apple's Cooperation with Authoritarian Governments (jessesquires.com) > Apple removes nearly 100 VPNs used by Russians to bypass censorship (elpais.com) Apple obeys local laws > Apple's Browser Engine Ban Persists, Even Under the DMA (open-web-advocacy.org) Apple chooses to maintain control over a specific implementation detail of their platform that a handful of nerds object to. > Apple defined ICE as a "protected class" in blocking anti-ICE apps (boingboing.net) The claim made in this headline is just straight up false. I don’t know, I don’t think their less-than-ideal behaviour is anywhere bad enough to reasonably be described as “evil”. Otherwise, we’re probably all evil.

ewild 3mo ago

What about the kids they intentionally get driven to suicide by keeping the blue bubbles for no other reason than child indoctrination due to bullying from other kids.

wat10000 3mo ago
wat
okdood64 3mo ago
Sounds like a societal and parenting problem that Apple has nothing to do with.
- retsibsi 3mo ago
  My first reaction was that it was ridiculous, or at least hysterically framed. But the claim is that the whole point of the bubble colour thing, from Apple's perspective, is to take advantage of status games among (largely) kids. If that's true, then it's probably fair to hold Apple partially responsible for the predictable negative consequences. I'd be surprised if something so silly was actually decisive in the worst cases, but I guess if this is playing out among millions of kids, it may be having outsized effects occasionally.
  - mrunkel 3mo ago
    Sure, so now because kids are dicks, I shouldn't be able to tell what's a iMessage and what is an SMS?
  - wat10000 3mo ago
    I suppose companies like Nike are to blame for putting their logo on things as well.
- inigyou 3mo ago
  People are raised by their environment.
EtienneK 3mo ago

brazukadev 3mo ago

> Ha ha. Worked at Apple for over two decades—would not have stayed at a company I thought was evil for that long. Maybe, just maybe, you are also evil?