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It’s a shame that Arvix (and once thoughtful places like Kaggle) are used for self-promotion. I get people want to work at an AI lab but slopping it in public
by irasigman 3mo ago
It’s a shame that Arvix (and once thoughtful places like Kaggle) are used for self-promotion.
I get people want to work at an AI lab but slopping it in public in this manner is counterproductive to the original intended purpose of these places.
- charcircuit 3mo agoHasn't this always been the case? Arxiv being used for self promotion and Kaggle being used to pivot into the industry. It is not a recent phenomenon.
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- bonoboTP 3mo agoAcademia is itself self promotion. Conferences, publications, talks, all of it.
- a123b456c 3mo agoI understand why this external view exists, as dissemination is inherently part of the scientific mission; but if you look more carefully, you will see that it is simultaneously science promotion, and many of the best participants do not shamelessly promote themselves.
- bonoboTP 3mo agoI did a PhD, so not external. Sure one doesn't have to be maximally cynical but a lot of it is self promotion. And in context: the same can be said about Kaggle, about Youtubers, about music creators etc. Every endeavor is a mix of "pure" promotion of the art and of shameless self promotion and status games. The common factor is humans. My point was, academia is not more pure than the Kaggle guys who fish for industry jobs.
- probably_wrong 3mo agoI cannot speak for the intended purpose of ArXiv by its creators but I can tell you that, in the conference circles, its main intended use was flag planting: people were afraid that their competitors would tweet some results while their (earlier) paper was under anonymous review, and so researchers started putting their stuff on ArXiv first to ensure no one would "steal" their claim of being there first.
- bonoboTP 3mo agoI don't think it has much to do with tweets, but the flag planting is correct. You have to timestamp your idea because otherwise if you're too slow, the community doesn't much care about "pretty much same idea but now done properly and thoroughly" and will just elevate the faster one.
- charcircuit 3mo agoIf the researchers didn't care about promoting themselves they would not care whether a competitor published a result first or they did. Either way science is being pushed forward.
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