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Should we not get to work less if Ai is increasing productivity so much while also making us exhausted more quickly? Perhaps on the way to UBI and the end of l

Should we not get to work less if Ai is increasing productivity so much while also making us exhausted more quickly? Perhaps on the way to UBI and the end of labor, we could get a 32 and 24h work wweek with lots more vacation, my hope at least

BugsJustFindMe 3mo ago
Name one time in all of history when increased productivity translated to workers working less. I'll wait.
- bluefirebrand 3mo ago
  Every single worker that has been laid off due to "increased AI productivity" is working less As a broad historical trend? Maybe not But fewer people working, right now? Absolutely
  - BugsJustFindMe 3mo ago
    > Every single worker that has been laid off due to "increased AI productivity" is working less This isn't a useful definition of working less in the thread context and is not the kind of working less that I meant. If it helps, imagine that I had asked for "when increased productivity translated to workers personally reaping the benefits of the increased productivity by being able to thrive while doing less instead of either being laid off or just being expected to do more".
    - bluefirebrand 3mo ago
      Yeah. Sorry. This is just a personal gripe of mine. It rubs me the wrong way when people use "work less" as a shorthand for "workers getting a benefit"
- verdverm 3mo ago
  We used to have people, including children, working up to 80 hours a week. We now have laws that limit those things. One does not have to create a direct causal relationship. One should more likely expect them to be separate because of the adversarial aspects between labor-capital. https://www.aeaweb.org/research/workweek-restrictions-great-depression https://www.aeaweb.org/research/workweek-restrictions-great-...
bluefirebrand 3mo ago
Instead of getting 25 hour weeks, half of us will be unemployed permanently and the other half will be working 50 hour weeks. It's a really smart future that the wealthy business owners and investors are building for us.
- JackSlateur 3mo ago
  [..] that the wealthy business owners and investors and all the AI users are building for us.

BugsJustFindMe 3mo ago

Name one time in all of history when increased productivity translated to workers working less. I'll wait.

bluefirebrand 3mo ago
Every single worker that has been laid off due to "increased AI productivity" is working less As a broad historical trend? Maybe not But fewer people working, right now? Absolutely
- BugsJustFindMe 3mo ago
  > Every single worker that has been laid off due to "increased AI productivity" is working less This isn't a useful definition of working less in the thread context and is not the kind of working less that I meant. If it helps, imagine that I had asked for "when increased productivity translated to workers personally reaping the benefits of the increased productivity by being able to thrive while doing less instead of either being laid off or just being expected to do more".
  - bluefirebrand 3mo ago
    Yeah. Sorry. This is just a personal gripe of mine. It rubs me the wrong way when people use "work less" as a shorthand for "workers getting a benefit"
verdverm 3mo ago
We used to have people, including children, working up to 80 hours a week. We now have laws that limit those things. One does not have to create a direct causal relationship. One should more likely expect them to be separate because of the adversarial aspects between labor-capital. https://www.aeaweb.org/research/workweek-restrictions-great-depression https://www.aeaweb.org/research/workweek-restrictions-great-...

bluefirebrand 3mo ago

Instead of getting 25 hour weeks, half of us will be unemployed permanently and the other half will be working 50 hour weeks. It's a really smart future that the wealthy business owners and investors are building for us.

JackSlateur 3mo ago
[..] that the wealthy business owners and investors and all the AI users are building for us.