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This is too expensive to be a viable model. If it were $5/1m output, it might be another story. At these prices, there's no reason to use this over GPT 5.6.
by nullbio 3mo ago
This is too expensive to be a viable model. If it were $5/1m output, it might be another story. At these prices, there's no reason to use this over GPT 5.6.
- cmrdporcupine 3mo agoThat depends entirely on the hosting situation. If someone can provide a subscription plan at slightly lower rates, it's absolutely compelling.
- vidarh 3mo agoMoonshot has subscriptions maxing out at $199/month. Not home so not had a chance to see if K3 is included yet. EDIT: Just switched my Kimi-CLI session to K3 and resumed my ongoing /goal... Will be interesting to see if I notice a difference.
- vidarh 3mo agoI'll say after having it run for a few hours that I still don't feel it matches even Sonnet. It still does a lot of back and forth that feels dumb, but it's possible this is in effect Anthropic tricking us by hiding the full reasoning traces - who knows what Sonnet still sounds like if you were to see the whole thing.
- cmrdporcupine 3mo agoI haven't tried K3 yet but my experience with older Kimi models was exactly this, that they'd spin for a whole chunk of time with a lot of back and forth thinking. But some of this might still be something that gets sorted out with finding the right parameters etc on the serving side.
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- Arubis 3mo agoIn context it seems your recommendation is to instead send those data to models within Chinese nation-network space. I’m not here to defend US frontier model companies; your accusation is probably accurate. But I doubt sending data to China is an improvement.
- vitalyan8184 3mo agowith open weight models, you have three other options A) use a provider that pinky-swears not to store your data. they obviously don't give a fuck about 'distillation attacks', so they have little motivation to voluntarily monitor and store your queries. reasonably high likelihood of privacy. B) rent the hardware and run the model yourself. very high likelihood of privacy. C) buy the hardware and run the model yourself. absolute certainty of privacy.
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- carljungslabtek 3mo agoIs this really true? I was led to believe my company had an enterprise zero data retention agreement with them and it’s why we didn’t get access to Fable Is there proof of what you’re saying or is it just a guess?
- vitalyan8184 3mo agooh, I've no doubt the US government and giga corporations can get zero data retention without ten pages of fine print. the rest of us can't.
- lallysingh 3mo agoUnless you spend 5min googling and see that you can do zero retention via AWS Bedrock.